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Conflict in the Middle East

Christmas in Bethlehem

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Auvergne63 · 23/12/2024 09:09

Another muted celebration in Bethlehem, Christ's birthplace for over 2 billions Christians.
https://international.la-croix.com/religion/in-bethlehem-a-christmas-marked-by-exhaustion-and-anxiety
The economic consequences of the "war" on this holy place are also staggering.
https://apnews.com/article/christmas-israel-palestinians-bethlehem-jesus-gaza-war-b508f651811c710e6d2f1994a3dcf131

In Bethlehem, a Christmas marked by exhaustion and anxiety

As Christmas approaches, the churches of Jerusalem have called on their faithful to show signs of Christian hope. But in Bethlehem, economically suffocating and clouded by uncertainty, anxiety about the future weighs heavily on people's hearts.

https://international.la-croix.com/religion/in-bethlehem-a-christmas-marked-by-exhaustion-and-anxiety

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SharonEllis · 23/12/2024 09:47

Christmas must be difficult for the Christians persecuted across the region. I wonder how it will be for Syrian Christians this year - a community that has declined by about 80% in the last 20 years www.persecution.org/2024/05/24/icc-perspectives-christians-are-leaving-the-middle-east-so-why-is-persecution-increasing/

Auvergne63 · 23/12/2024 10:47

SharonEllis · 23/12/2024 09:47

Christmas must be difficult for the Christians persecuted across the region. I wonder how it will be for Syrian Christians this year - a community that has declined by about 80% in the last 20 years www.persecution.org/2024/05/24/icc-perspectives-christians-are-leaving-the-middle-east-so-why-is-persecution-increasing/

This thread is specifically about Christmas in Bethlehem, you know, one of the most important sites for Christians.
Your attempt at deflecting is unwelcome.
But I do hope the Syrian Christians , as well as every Syrian, are safe from the Israeli bombings and the IDF, who are trigger happy. I also hope that they are able to attend to their fields.
I am sure you feel the same.
https://apnews.com/article/syria-golan-hieghts-israel-daraa-maariyah-occupied-d3404840f0d47ff88714938f1aa8a683
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241220-israel-army-says-troops-shot-syrian-protester-in-leg

A Syrian man, left, waves a white flag as he approaches Israeli soldiers to negotiate with them, where they set their new position at an abandoned Syrian military base, in Maariyah village near the border with Israel, in southern Syria, Thursday, Dec....

Syrian villagers near the Golan Heights say Israeli forces are banning them from their fields

Residents of a Syrian village near the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights say Israeli forces have set up a position in an abandoned army base and are preventing local farmers from accessing their fields.

https://apnews.com/article/syria-golan-hieghts-israel-daraa-maariyah-occupied-d3404840f0d47ff88714938f1aa8a683

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queenofarles · 23/12/2024 14:04

Seeing how a Christmas market was just opened in Demarcus and both Christmas and Muslims were taking photos in front of a giant tree , looks like things are hopeful, and after all let’s not pretend that it’s not just Christians that fled that region many Muslims drowned trying to flee the civil war im Syria.

EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 15:30

Thanks op for the thread. Not only these people are going through whatever Israel puts them through but also now are dealing with lacks of tourism.

Alwayslookonthe · 23/12/2024 19:44

"Violence and coercion has resulted in up to a 90% decline in the Christian population in areas under Hamas or Palestinian Authority control, according to a new study by the Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs (JCFA).
In 1922, Christians constituted 11% of the population. Today, in 2024, they are just 1%.

The JCFA research, led by Lt. Col. (res.) Maurice Hirsch and Attorney Tirza Shorr, discovered mass emigration of Christians, particularly from historically significant cities like Bethlehem. "Demographics don’t lie. We are witnessing a significant 80-90% decline in the Christian population in major cities," the researchers emphasised.

The Christian population in Gaza shrank from 5,000 before Hamas took over the area to only 1,000 in October 2023, the report found. JCFA explained that religious and legal discrimination, desecration of holy sites, and social exclusion were behind the decline in the Christian population.

The city of Bethlehem is used as an illustration of what JCFA calls "Christian demographic erasure." In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86% Christian.

However, this has dwindled since 1994, when the PA took control of the city. The last census in 2017 showed Bethlehem was 10% Christian families, but many have left, or are leaving, due to systemic socio-economic hardships and instability, discrimination, and harassment, including of Christian clergy, by Muslim Palestinians and the Islam-dominated Palestinian Authority.

Bethlehem also serves as an example of Christians undergoing forced conversion to Islam, a phenomenon that Gaza’s Bishop Alexios, warned of in 2016. "Christians who converted to Islam did so under threats and violence," Alexios said at the time. "The mass exodus of the Christians risks undermining the survival of Christianity in its birthplace," the report added.

The report also collected testimonies regarding violence and harassment against Christians, especially of girls, since the PA took over.
Muslim clans reportedly also use force to resolve disputes.
Most cases, however, go unreported due to fear of retribution and a lack of legal enforcement.
"The survival of Christianity in its birthplace depends on awareness and action. Silence strengthens the perpetrators and leaves the victims without international support," Hirsch said.
"It’s unacceptable that in 2025, Christians in the Palestinian Authority fear reporting hate incidents against them for fear of arrest or worse," the report concludes."
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-834585

Christian population declined 90% under Palestinian Authority and Hamas - study

"Demographics don’t lie. We are witnessing a significant 80-90% decline in the Christian population in major cities," the researchers emphasize.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-834585

OpheliaWasntMad · 23/12/2024 19:50

The Christians in Gaza are very vulnerable to oppression from extremists on both sides.

Lalaloveya · 23/12/2024 21:05

Alwayslookonthe · 23/12/2024 19:44

"Violence and coercion has resulted in up to a 90% decline in the Christian population in areas under Hamas or Palestinian Authority control, according to a new study by the Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs (JCFA).
In 1922, Christians constituted 11% of the population. Today, in 2024, they are just 1%.

The JCFA research, led by Lt. Col. (res.) Maurice Hirsch and Attorney Tirza Shorr, discovered mass emigration of Christians, particularly from historically significant cities like Bethlehem. "Demographics don’t lie. We are witnessing a significant 80-90% decline in the Christian population in major cities," the researchers emphasised.

The Christian population in Gaza shrank from 5,000 before Hamas took over the area to only 1,000 in October 2023, the report found. JCFA explained that religious and legal discrimination, desecration of holy sites, and social exclusion were behind the decline in the Christian population.

The city of Bethlehem is used as an illustration of what JCFA calls "Christian demographic erasure." In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86% Christian.

However, this has dwindled since 1994, when the PA took control of the city. The last census in 2017 showed Bethlehem was 10% Christian families, but many have left, or are leaving, due to systemic socio-economic hardships and instability, discrimination, and harassment, including of Christian clergy, by Muslim Palestinians and the Islam-dominated Palestinian Authority.

Bethlehem also serves as an example of Christians undergoing forced conversion to Islam, a phenomenon that Gaza’s Bishop Alexios, warned of in 2016. "Christians who converted to Islam did so under threats and violence," Alexios said at the time. "The mass exodus of the Christians risks undermining the survival of Christianity in its birthplace," the report added.

The report also collected testimonies regarding violence and harassment against Christians, especially of girls, since the PA took over.
Muslim clans reportedly also use force to resolve disputes.
Most cases, however, go unreported due to fear of retribution and a lack of legal enforcement.
"The survival of Christianity in its birthplace depends on awareness and action. Silence strengthens the perpetrators and leaves the victims without international support," Hirsch said.
"It’s unacceptable that in 2025, Christians in the Palestinian Authority fear reporting hate incidents against them for fear of arrest or worse," the report concludes."
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-834585

Any information on this from a source that isn't pure Israeli propaganda? The website of that "organisation" suggests it engages in frankly shocking anti-Palesinian propaganda.

Do they undertake similar research on Israeli erasure f Palestinians in the West Bank?

EasterIssland · 23/12/2024 21:27

That’s what I was thinking no remorse / mention of what Israeli extremists are doing against Christian’s in their homeland.

not the most unbiased source

Alwayslookonthe · 23/12/2024 22:04

O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie.

Just a few short weeks ago, across time zones and languages, the sound of this beloved Christmas carol could be heard around the world. Throughout the world, Christians gathered in places of worship to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

Many also traveled to Bethlehem to pay homage to the birthplace of Jesus, enshrined under the Church of the Nativity in Manger Square. “According to the Palestinian Ministry of Tourism, 1.16 million foreigners visited the Church of the Nativity in 2013, the most recent year statistics were available.”[1]

Bethlehem is located in the Palestinian controlled West Bank, but most enter through one of Israel’s twenty-nine checkpoints. here is an abundance of shops, lodging, and attractions catering to Christians. The “birthplace of Jesus” creates much business and fuels the local economy—it is anything except still.

Beyond the tourism however, life of local Christians is hard. Both Muslims and Christians live under the constraints of travel limitations, checkpoints, and other everyday restrictions like walls built to prevent suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks. Government corruption and ideology is to blame in part for the poverty, substandard infrastructure and high unemployment that abounds in the area.

These conditions incentivize radicalization and terrorism—families of suicide bombers receive a monetary stipend. Christians have borne the brunt of the hardship, often living as second class citizens beholden to an Islamic government which rejects and despises the heart of Christianity—a Jewish Messiah. Many are fleeing. and as a shrinking minority they are subject to persecution.

According to the National Catholic Reporter, “In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86 percent Christian. But by 2016, the Christian population dipped to just 12 percent, according Bethlehem mayor Vera Baboun. Across the West Bank, Christians now account for less than 2 percent of the population, though in the 1970s, Christians were 5 percent of the population. In Bethlehem, the traditional birthplace of Jesus, today there are just 11,000 Christians.”[2]

Fox News recently aired a documentary, Battle in Bethlehem featuring reporter Pete Hegseth exploring life today for Christians in Bethlehem. He discovered that most were reluctant to openly express their feelings due to fear of retribution. Hegseth was, however, able to interview Brian Schrauger, an American living in the region. Schrauger shared his belief that many leave because “Christians here have found it increasingly difficult to live to do business the way things are done here—legally with the police and with the courts. They’re subject to the Palestinian Authority. And that’s just become increasingly difficult.”[3]

Under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, religious freedom is codified in the Basic Law, which was approved in 2002 by the Palestinian Legislative Council and signed by then-President Yasir Arafat. The Basic Law declares Islam the official religion but also calls for respect and sanctity for other “heavenly” religions such as Judaism and Christianity. “All Palestinians are required to declare their religious affiliation on identification papers. Either Islamic or Christian ecclesiastical courts handle legal matters relating to personal status. Inheritance, marriage, and divorce are handled by such courts, which exist for Muslim and Christians.”[4]

While neither the United Nations nor the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom have acknowledged the persecution of Christians under the Palestinian Authority (PA), it is cited in the 2019 World Watch List published by Open Doors USA, an organization devoted to the persecuted. In its indicators, both violence and pressure were noted. Pressure occurs at multiple levels: family, community, national and church life. The source of persecution is identified as Islamic oppression.[5]

In her paper The Persecution of Christians in the Palestinian Authority, Dr. Edy Cohen concludes that the “ongoing international neglect of the plight of the Christians under PA rule can only lead to the vanishing of Christianity from the place where it emerged.” She goes on to describe several incidents in which Christians were physically attacked and churches vandalized, desecrated, and robbed. The police were unresponsive; no one was arrested. The Maronite church in Bethlehem has been attacked six times, including an arson attack. None of these incidents were covered by PA media; a gag order was imposed in many cases. Dr. Cohn further states:
“It is unlikely that the latest wave of attacks will lead to the arrest, let alone prosecution, of any suspects. The only thing that interests the PA is that events of this kind not be leaked to the media.
Fatah regularly exerts heavy pressure on Christians not to report the acts of violence and vandalism from which they frequently suffer, as such publicity could damage the PA’s image as an actor capable of protecting the lives and property of the Christian minority under its rule. Even less does the PA want to be depicted as a radical entity that persecutes religious minorities. That image could have negative repercussions for the massive international, and particularly European, aid the PA receives.”[6]

During one of my trips to Israel, I spoke with the pastor of a prominent church in Bethlehem. He shared how difficult it is to be an Arab Christian leader there. Although his church provides a variety of much-needed social services to Christians and Muslims alike, he has been shot at several times, his church has been bombed, and his brother was killed because of his faith.

I also spoke with a young Christian Arab woman who returned to live in Bethlehem after obtaining a law degree in the United States. She said that her siblings chose to live abroad after schooling rather to be return to Bethlehem. I asked her why she returned. She stated that she was concerned that a Christian presence in Bethlehem would disappear and she felt it was her duty to stay despite the hardships and persecution. I pray that she can continue to be a light in that increasingly dark place.

Yet in thy dark streets shineth the everlasting light.
May it always be so.

Bethlehem’s Beleaguered Christians - International Christian Concern

By Linda Burkle, Ph.D O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie. Just a few short weeks ago, across time zones and languages, the sound of this beloved Christmas carol could be heard around the world. Throughout the world, Christians gather...

https://www.persecution.org/2020/01/14/bethlehems-beleaguered-christians/#_ftn4

OpheliaWasntMad · 23/12/2024 23:51

This message from Cardinal Pizzaballa is one of hope. It is so hard not to be pessimistic so his words are helpful

“He added: “If you identify the hope for the future with a political solution, there is no hope, because there is no short-term solution.
“However, hope is an attitude of life – a way of seeing the reality of your life with faith.
“Faith is to believe in the presence of God, who transcends our earthly life. If you can see with faith, you are able to see something that transcends the dark reality we are in.”
The patriarch concluded: “Everywhere, from Gaza to the West Bank, Jerusalem and Israel, I see wonderful people ready to commit themselves to doing something for others.
“Where there are these acts of selfless love, there is hope, it means it is possible to change something.
“Maybe we cannot change the macro political situation, but we can change something where we are, and this is what comforts me.”

OchaLove · 24/12/2024 08:23

Alwayslookonthe · 23/12/2024 22:04

O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie.

Just a few short weeks ago, across time zones and languages, the sound of this beloved Christmas carol could be heard around the world. Throughout the world, Christians gathered in places of worship to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

Many also traveled to Bethlehem to pay homage to the birthplace of Jesus, enshrined under the Church of the Nativity in Manger Square. “According to the Palestinian Ministry of Tourism, 1.16 million foreigners visited the Church of the Nativity in 2013, the most recent year statistics were available.”[1]

Bethlehem is located in the Palestinian controlled West Bank, but most enter through one of Israel’s twenty-nine checkpoints. here is an abundance of shops, lodging, and attractions catering to Christians. The “birthplace of Jesus” creates much business and fuels the local economy—it is anything except still.

Beyond the tourism however, life of local Christians is hard. Both Muslims and Christians live under the constraints of travel limitations, checkpoints, and other everyday restrictions like walls built to prevent suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks. Government corruption and ideology is to blame in part for the poverty, substandard infrastructure and high unemployment that abounds in the area.

These conditions incentivize radicalization and terrorism—families of suicide bombers receive a monetary stipend. Christians have borne the brunt of the hardship, often living as second class citizens beholden to an Islamic government which rejects and despises the heart of Christianity—a Jewish Messiah. Many are fleeing. and as a shrinking minority they are subject to persecution.

According to the National Catholic Reporter, “In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86 percent Christian. But by 2016, the Christian population dipped to just 12 percent, according Bethlehem mayor Vera Baboun. Across the West Bank, Christians now account for less than 2 percent of the population, though in the 1970s, Christians were 5 percent of the population. In Bethlehem, the traditional birthplace of Jesus, today there are just 11,000 Christians.”[2]

Fox News recently aired a documentary, Battle in Bethlehem featuring reporter Pete Hegseth exploring life today for Christians in Bethlehem. He discovered that most were reluctant to openly express their feelings due to fear of retribution. Hegseth was, however, able to interview Brian Schrauger, an American living in the region. Schrauger shared his belief that many leave because “Christians here have found it increasingly difficult to live to do business the way things are done here—legally with the police and with the courts. They’re subject to the Palestinian Authority. And that’s just become increasingly difficult.”[3]

Under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, religious freedom is codified in the Basic Law, which was approved in 2002 by the Palestinian Legislative Council and signed by then-President Yasir Arafat. The Basic Law declares Islam the official religion but also calls for respect and sanctity for other “heavenly” religions such as Judaism and Christianity. “All Palestinians are required to declare their religious affiliation on identification papers. Either Islamic or Christian ecclesiastical courts handle legal matters relating to personal status. Inheritance, marriage, and divorce are handled by such courts, which exist for Muslim and Christians.”[4]

While neither the United Nations nor the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom have acknowledged the persecution of Christians under the Palestinian Authority (PA), it is cited in the 2019 World Watch List published by Open Doors USA, an organization devoted to the persecuted. In its indicators, both violence and pressure were noted. Pressure occurs at multiple levels: family, community, national and church life. The source of persecution is identified as Islamic oppression.[5]

In her paper The Persecution of Christians in the Palestinian Authority, Dr. Edy Cohen concludes that the “ongoing international neglect of the plight of the Christians under PA rule can only lead to the vanishing of Christianity from the place where it emerged.” She goes on to describe several incidents in which Christians were physically attacked and churches vandalized, desecrated, and robbed. The police were unresponsive; no one was arrested. The Maronite church in Bethlehem has been attacked six times, including an arson attack. None of these incidents were covered by PA media; a gag order was imposed in many cases. Dr. Cohn further states:
“It is unlikely that the latest wave of attacks will lead to the arrest, let alone prosecution, of any suspects. The only thing that interests the PA is that events of this kind not be leaked to the media.
Fatah regularly exerts heavy pressure on Christians not to report the acts of violence and vandalism from which they frequently suffer, as such publicity could damage the PA’s image as an actor capable of protecting the lives and property of the Christian minority under its rule. Even less does the PA want to be depicted as a radical entity that persecutes religious minorities. That image could have negative repercussions for the massive international, and particularly European, aid the PA receives.”[6]

During one of my trips to Israel, I spoke with the pastor of a prominent church in Bethlehem. He shared how difficult it is to be an Arab Christian leader there. Although his church provides a variety of much-needed social services to Christians and Muslims alike, he has been shot at several times, his church has been bombed, and his brother was killed because of his faith.

I also spoke with a young Christian Arab woman who returned to live in Bethlehem after obtaining a law degree in the United States. She said that her siblings chose to live abroad after schooling rather to be return to Bethlehem. I asked her why she returned. She stated that she was concerned that a Christian presence in Bethlehem would disappear and she felt it was her duty to stay despite the hardships and persecution. I pray that she can continue to be a light in that increasingly dark place.

Yet in thy dark streets shineth the everlasting light.
May it always be so.

This is such a propaganda piece to create division between Muslims and Christians. I'm especially appalled at this part:

"These conditions incentivize radicalization and terrorism—families of suicide bombers receive a monetary stipend. Christians have borne the brunt of the hardship, often living as second class citizens beholden to an Islamic government which rejects and despises the heart of Christianity—a Jewish Messiah. Many are fleeing. and as a shrinking minority they are subject to persecution."

No, not true. Even a basic search shows you this is not true and I find it unbelievable how they blatantly lie in the article. Here is some basic search on how Islam observes Jesus Christ:

"In Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet and messenger of God, and is referred to as the Messiah (al-Masih):

Birth
Muslims believe Jesus was born to the virgin Mary. The Quran describes Jesus's birth as his first miracle, when he spoke in the cradle and declared himself a prophet.

Miracles
The Quran describes Jesus performing miracles, such as healing lepers, giving sight to the blind, and raising the dead.

Death
Muslims believe Jesus was not crucified or resurrected, but was instead miraculously saved by God and ascended into heaven.

Return
Muslims believe Jesus will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to defeat the Antichrist and restore justice.

Relationship to Mary
Mary is considered one of the most pure and exalted women in creation. The Quran names an entire chapter after her, and she is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the Quran.

Relationship to Muhammad
Muhammad is considered the successor to Jesus.

Relationship to the Quran
The Quran mentions Jesus with various titles and places him among the greatest prophets. The Quran also discusses Jesus's teachings, which are referred to as al-Injīl (the Gospel).

Muslims recite "peace be upon him" after referring to Jesus by name, just as they do with other prophets."

SharonEllis · 24/12/2024 08:30

OchaLove · 24/12/2024 08:23

This is such a propaganda piece to create division between Muslims and Christians. I'm especially appalled at this part:

"These conditions incentivize radicalization and terrorism—families of suicide bombers receive a monetary stipend. Christians have borne the brunt of the hardship, often living as second class citizens beholden to an Islamic government which rejects and despises the heart of Christianity—a Jewish Messiah. Many are fleeing. and as a shrinking minority they are subject to persecution."

No, not true. Even a basic search shows you this is not true and I find it unbelievable how they blatantly lie in the article. Here is some basic search on how Islam observes Jesus Christ:

"In Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet and messenger of God, and is referred to as the Messiah (al-Masih):

Birth
Muslims believe Jesus was born to the virgin Mary. The Quran describes Jesus's birth as his first miracle, when he spoke in the cradle and declared himself a prophet.

Miracles
The Quran describes Jesus performing miracles, such as healing lepers, giving sight to the blind, and raising the dead.

Death
Muslims believe Jesus was not crucified or resurrected, but was instead miraculously saved by God and ascended into heaven.

Return
Muslims believe Jesus will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to defeat the Antichrist and restore justice.

Relationship to Mary
Mary is considered one of the most pure and exalted women in creation. The Quran names an entire chapter after her, and she is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the Quran.

Relationship to Muhammad
Muhammad is considered the successor to Jesus.

Relationship to the Quran
The Quran mentions Jesus with various titles and places him among the greatest prophets. The Quran also discusses Jesus's teachings, which are referred to as al-Injīl (the Gospel).

Muslims recite "peace be upon him" after referring to Jesus by name, just as they do with other prophets."

You are generalising. That is how it should be, theoretically, but we know the reality historically and now is persecution of Christians by Islamists in the Arab world.

OchaLove · 24/12/2024 08:46

SharonEllis · 24/12/2024 08:30

You are generalising. That is how it should be, theoretically, but we know the reality historically and now is persecution of Christians by Islamists in the Arab world.

No, I'm not generalizing. I am from a Muslim background and never heard of anyone who is a Muslim speak of Jesus Christ in a degrading manner, or have hate against him.

OchaLove · 24/12/2024 08:55

@SharonEllis Let me ask you this: How does Judaism observes Jesus Christ? Does Judaism accept him as a prophet/messiah?

Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 08:55

SharonEllis · 24/12/2024 08:30

You are generalising. That is how it should be, theoretically, but we know the reality historically and now is persecution of Christians by Islamists in the Arab world.

Do you, actually, know the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?

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OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:17

Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 08:55

Do you, actually, know the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?

Yes - it is the extremists on both sides that oppress Christians and other religions.
Islamists / Hamas/ Extremist right wing Israelis

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:26

The problem with some of these threads is that the persecution of Christians is used to vilify one side of this conflict. It’s not right to use the persecution of Christians to pursue an agenda of vilifying only one group.
The truth is that Christian Palestinians in the region have been oppressed by both sides of the conflict- by Hamas and by Jewish extremists.
If posters are genuine in their concern they need to acknowledge that the oppression of Christians in the region is not limited to the group they consider “the enemy/ wrong doer” .

EasterIssland · 24/12/2024 10:29

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:26

The problem with some of these threads is that the persecution of Christians is used to vilify one side of this conflict. It’s not right to use the persecution of Christians to pursue an agenda of vilifying only one group.
The truth is that Christian Palestinians in the region have been oppressed by both sides of the conflict- by Hamas and by Jewish extremists.
If posters are genuine in their concern they need to acknowledge that the oppression of Christians in the region is not limited to the group they consider “the enemy/ wrong doer” .

The problem of these threads are that they’re about Christian’s in their holy land. Christians are prosecuted in many places we agree on that. But there is one holy land and people have to accept if other posters want to talk about this specific place.

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:40

EasterIssland · 24/12/2024 10:29

The problem of these threads are that they’re about Christian’s in their holy land. Christians are prosecuted in many places we agree on that. But there is one holy land and people have to accept if other posters want to talk about this specific place.

But I am talking about the Holy Land? That is exactly my point.
Christians have been and still are oppressed by both Jewish extremists and Hamas in the Holy Land.

Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 10:41

OchaLove · 24/12/2024 08:46

No, I'm not generalizing. I am from a Muslim background and never heard of anyone who is a Muslim speak of Jesus Christ in a degrading manner, or have hate against him.

Same here. I am not from a Muslim background but I have taught RE for 20 years in a multicultural school.
In order to be accurate in my teaching, I ask my Muslim colleagues how their faith viewed Jesus (Isa) and his teachings. He is an important prophet and very much respected was their answer, in short.
I also asked my Indu and Sikh colleague. Unfortunately, I have never worked with a Jewish colleague or taught a Jewish pupil.

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Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 10:44

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:17

Yes - it is the extremists on both sides that oppress Christians and other religions.
Islamists / Hamas/ Extremist right wing Israelis

Thanks but I am waiting for an answer from @SharonEllis.

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Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 10:47

OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:17

Yes - it is the extremists on both sides that oppress Christians and other religions.
Islamists / Hamas/ Extremist right wing Israelis

They do. Let's not forget that that the extremist right wing Israelis are supported by the IDF and the Israeli government.

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OpheliaWasntMad · 24/12/2024 10:51

Auvergne63 · 24/12/2024 10:41

Same here. I am not from a Muslim background but I have taught RE for 20 years in a multicultural school.
In order to be accurate in my teaching, I ask my Muslim colleagues how their faith viewed Jesus (Isa) and his teachings. He is an important prophet and very much respected was their answer, in short.
I also asked my Indu and Sikh colleague. Unfortunately, I have never worked with a Jewish colleague or taught a Jewish pupil.

“Unfortunately, I have never worked with a Jewish colleague or taught a Jewish pupil.”
The Jewish community is much much smaller and often less visibly identifiable and therefore lots of people haven’t had much direct contact .
That’s a shame because we all know that living in a multicultural community helps to break down barriers and dispel negative prejudice. ( I’m not in any way suggesting you are prejudiced- I’m just saying that this is the case in general)

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