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MushMonster · 13/11/2024 14:48

What do you think of that? The conflict is spreading far away from the original borders!
Now it is in a far far away land that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conflict, that children are taught to hate others.... Now, that is ridiculous.

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 14:54

It’s unbelievable and yet not surprising. Ireland’s hostility to Israel is hardly a secret.

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MushMonster · 13/11/2024 15:14

That we live in the 21st century is not a secret. Children are taught to be kind to each other and live in a rather mixed society, with different faiths and cultures, here in the barbaric lands of Europe.
You will believe what you want to, though.
It is pointless to say anything further. But I just had to say this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read in my life.

Dulra · 13/11/2024 15:41

I am not familiar with the textbooks but I will definitely try and find out more. I found the link below on it which is slightly more balanced and has pointed out the areas that are indeed antisemitic.
Irish school textbooks exhibit troubling patterns of Holocaust minimisation, Jewish stereotypes, and one-sided views of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, according to a report published by the nonprofit organisation IMPACT-se.

It also states that
This is the first report conducted by IMPACT-se on a European national curriculum, as it has previously focused primarily on Middle Eastern textbooks.
So it will be interesting to see what else it may uncover in other national curriculums.
We have a general election coming up so I will be asking about it when they come canvassing at my door for votes.

https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/ireland/report-reveals-troubling-pattern-of-holocaust-minimisation-in-irish-textbooks/

Report reveals troubling pattern of Holocaust minimisation in Irish textbooks - European Jewish Congress

Irish school textbooks exhibit troubling patterns of Holocaust minimisation, Jewish stereotypes, and one-sided views of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, according to a report published by the nonprofit organisation IMPACT-se.

https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/ireland/report-reveals-troubling-pattern-of-holocaust-minimisation-in-irish-textbooks

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 15:42

It is par the course as usual, anyone who calls out Israel for their genocidal tactics against the Palestinians, is tarnished an anti-semite. I can predict that over the weeks, we will be seeing a more concerted smearing campaign against Ireland, to demonise and discredit. As is the pattern seen against any voices who oppose the wrong doings of Israel.

Dulra · 13/11/2024 15:46

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 14:26

Wasn’t sure where to ask this but there’s a piece in the JC about antisemitism in the Irish curriculum. It seems legit but incredulous:

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/jews-are-jesus-killers-and-israel-is-uniquely-aggressive-what-irish-pupils-are-taught-dhqmypgo

Can anyone here verify?

I find the link you posted quite sensationalist, they seem to even have an issue with an image of Greta Thunberg on the front cover of a textbook. I don't think muddying the waters of the issue helps and sticking to the facts is far more productive when trying to address it.

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 15:52

Dulra · 13/11/2024 15:46

I find the link you posted quite sensationalist, they seem to even have an issue with an image of Greta Thunberg on the front cover of a textbook. I don't think muddying the waters of the issue helps and sticking to the facts is far more productive when trying to address it.

Yes I can see what you mean. The JC is markedly more right wing than it used to be too.

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BelleHathor · 13/11/2024 15:53

Just want to point out that the "organisation" that carried out this research is an Israeli watchdog with strong connections to the Israeli government. Their reports are often biased and often misrepresents its findings. In fact they carried out a review into UNWRA educational materials in 2022 which was rejected by the UN because:
IMPACT-se is an organization already well known for its previous sensationalized attempts to delegitimize the Agency’s work."
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-reviews-and-responds-to-allegations-concerning-agency-and-educational-materials-press-release/

This is likely another attempt to smear Ireland due to having the temerity to recognise a Palestinian State.

UNRWA Reviews and Responds to Allegations Concerning Agency and Educational Materials - Press Release - Question of Palestine

  Arabic: العربية 15 July 2022 Today, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) shared with Agency partners the results of its review of a recently released report by IMPACT-se alleging UNRW...

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-reviews-and-responds-to-allegations-concerning-agency-and-educational-materials-press-release

Iamacatslave · 13/11/2024 15:56

@Afreebird agree with you 100%.

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 15:56

BelleHathor · 13/11/2024 15:53

Just want to point out that the "organisation" that carried out this research is an Israeli watchdog with strong connections to the Israeli government. Their reports are often biased and often misrepresents its findings. In fact they carried out a review into UNWRA educational materials in 2022 which was rejected by the UN because:
IMPACT-se is an organization already well known for its previous sensationalized attempts to delegitimize the Agency’s work."
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-reviews-and-responds-to-allegations-concerning-agency-and-educational-materials-press-release/

This is likely another attempt to smear Ireland due to having the temerity to recognise a Palestinian State.

Do you think those textbooks are not real, or not in use?

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Afreebird · 13/11/2024 16:01

include a case study about a Palestinian family attacked by Israeli settlers.

This is a weekly, If not daily occurrence for the settlers that attack Palestinian families, homes and farms.

What's the issue here? Do we pretend it's not happening to sanitize the brutality?

Dulra · 13/11/2024 16:01

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 15:56

Do you think those textbooks are not real, or not in use?

Read the link I posted. It highlights the issues that were found, as I said should be addressed, but it is in a very limited number of books, I'm not familiar with them and I have 2 kids in secondary and 1 in primary.
The JP has gone to town on it for obvious reasons and it's no surprise Irelands curriculum is the only European curriculum they have ever looked into.

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 16:19

BelleHathor · 13/11/2024 16:06

They are real and they are in use, however they have been misrepresentated by the organisation IMPACT-se.

For example the birthplace of Jesus being in Bethlehem, Palestine is not in and of itself antisemitic, as at the recorded time of his birth the region was under Roman Occupation.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/news/1995#:~:text=of%20the%20site.-,The%20Birthplace%20of%20Jesus%3A%20the%20Church%20of%20the%20Nativity%20and,Jesus%20since%20the%202nd%20century.

So the parents a d children who feel worried and are even moving schools are just misrepresenting what they're being taught?

Liv999 · 13/11/2024 16:26

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 14:54

It’s unbelievable and yet not surprising. Ireland’s hostility to Israel is hardly a secret.

Correction, Irelands hostility to the Israeli aggression in Gaza

AgileGreenSeal · 13/11/2024 16:27

BelleHathor · 13/11/2024 16:06

They are real and they are in use, however they have been misrepresentated by the organisation IMPACT-se.

For example the birthplace of Jesus being in Bethlehem, Palestine is not in and of itself antisemitic, as at the recorded time of his birth the region was under Roman Occupation.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/news/1995#:~:text=of%20the%20site.-,The%20Birthplace%20of%20Jesus%3A%20the%20Church%20of%20the%20Nativity%20and,Jesus%20since%20the%202nd%20century.

At the time of His birth the area in which Bethlehem is situated was indeed under Roman occupation and was called (in Greek) “Ἰουδαία” anglicised as “Judaea”

After the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135) the Romans renamed Judaea as Syria Palaestina, later shortened to just Palaestina.

BelleHathor · 13/11/2024 16:33

AgileGreenSeal · 13/11/2024 16:27

At the time of His birth the area in which Bethlehem is situated was indeed under Roman occupation and was called (in Greek) “Ἰουδαία” anglicised as “Judaea”

After the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135) the Romans renamed Judaea as Syria Palaestina, later shortened to just Palaestina.

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Yes,
The birth took place in the town of Bethlehem in the region known as Judea to the Romans and Palestine to the Assyrians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus#:~:text=The%20birth%20took%20place%20in,Herod%20(Herod%20the%20Great).

Nativity of Jesus - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus#:~:text=The%20birth%20took%20place%20in,Herod%20(Herod%20the%20Great).

username358 · 13/11/2024 16:35

The anti Ireland smear campaign has been going on for a while. Last year Adi Ophir Maoz, the deputy head of mission in Dublin said:

“#Ireland Wondering who funded those tunnels of terror? A short investigation direction - 1. Find a mirror 2. Direct it to yourself 3. Voilà”

She was accusing Ireland of funding the Hamas tunnels. The JC doesn't have the best reputation for accuracy, several journalists left this year due to made up stories.

peepsypops · 13/11/2024 16:43

Ireland is NOT antisemitic nor would Irish people condone antisemitism to be promoted in their curriculum.
Ireland IS anti genocide, however.

Dulra · 13/11/2024 16:46

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 16:19

So the parents a d children who feel worried and are even moving schools are just misrepresenting what they're being taught?

I don't understand that piece of the article and I have not heard that anywhere else. I'm not sure what moving schools would achieve the curriculums are the same but I think there are a number of different text books for non exam subjects such as religion so maybe moving to a school that uses a different text book has happened. I have checked my kids religious text book. They are not the same as one in article it has a massive comprehensive chapter on Judaism. I don't see anything antisemitic. Happy to share if it would be helpful?

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 16:53

username358 · 13/11/2024 16:35

The anti Ireland smear campaign has been going on for a while. Last year Adi Ophir Maoz, the deputy head of mission in Dublin said:

“#Ireland Wondering who funded those tunnels of terror? A short investigation direction - 1. Find a mirror 2. Direct it to yourself 3. Voilà”

She was accusing Ireland of funding the Hamas tunnels. The JC doesn't have the best reputation for accuracy, several journalists left this year due to made up stories.

Ohhh that JC... it is extremely right wing. Pro-Palestinian is often labelled as pro-Hamas.

username358 · 13/11/2024 17:13

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 16:53

Ohhh that JC... it is extremely right wing. Pro-Palestinian is often labelled as pro-Hamas.

I was reading some articles today and they may be right wing but they are very liberal with the truth.

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 17:23

username358 · 13/11/2024 17:13

I was reading some articles today and they may be right wing but they are very liberal with the truth.

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What in the article isn't true?

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 17:31

Dulra · 13/11/2024 16:46

I don't understand that piece of the article and I have not heard that anywhere else. I'm not sure what moving schools would achieve the curriculums are the same but I think there are a number of different text books for non exam subjects such as religion so maybe moving to a school that uses a different text book has happened. I have checked my kids religious text book. They are not the same as one in article it has a massive comprehensive chapter on Judaism. I don't see anything antisemitic. Happy to share if it would be helpful?

It would be helpful for a balanced view, if it’s okay with you. But no worries if not.

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Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 17:34

Anyone e can write and publish a book, it may be used by one person as a way to promote their ignorant hate. Anyone can claim it is for any exam- that isn't a protected class of publishing. No JC book I have seen has similar content and I have seen quite a few as an educator for a multi denominational school!

Jewish faith is taught to all children they learn about it in the context of cultural aspects and later in historical.

There is a small Jewish community, tiny, and there is mutual respect and interest in general.

www.ncca.ie is the curriculum sources

http://www.ncca.ie

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