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username358 · 13/11/2024 17:34

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 17:23

What in the article isn't true?

I wasn't talking about the article, I haven't seen the textbooks in question, so have no idea if the report is true.

EternalSunshine19 · 13/11/2024 17:36

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 15:42

It is par the course as usual, anyone who calls out Israel for their genocidal tactics against the Palestinians, is tarnished an anti-semite. I can predict that over the weeks, we will be seeing a more concerted smearing campaign against Ireland, to demonise and discredit. As is the pattern seen against any voices who oppose the wrong doings of Israel.

Well said

Dulra · 13/11/2024 17:48

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 17:23

What in the article isn't true?

The suggestions of what was found are different in the JP article to the one I shared. Which appears more official. The text books featured are unknown to those of us familiar with the curriculum so it's hard to know what they are paraphrasing is accurate or not. They claim Greta Thunberg on the cover of one textbook is antisemitic. Is it? I didn't think it was but I'm happy to be corrected. She is very popular among young people with her environment activism, does she feature in other countries text books?

Dulra · 13/11/2024 17:52

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 17:31

It would be helpful for a balanced view, if it’s okay with you. But no worries if not.

The chapter on Judaism is 20 pages long so I've attached a few key bits

Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Dulra · 13/11/2024 18:02

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Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
Ireland, is this true?
whytetulip · 13/11/2024 18:19

username358 · 13/11/2024 17:34

I wasn't talking about the article, I haven't seen the textbooks in question, so have no idea if the report is true.

There are pictures of the textbooks in the article.

username358 · 13/11/2024 18:28

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 18:19

There are pictures of the textbooks in the article.

There are. Are those pictures of books used in Ireland? I don't live in Ireland and can't verify the pictures.

LookItsMeAgain · 13/11/2024 18:34

peepsypops · 13/11/2024 16:43

Ireland is NOT antisemitic nor would Irish people condone antisemitism to be promoted in their curriculum.
Ireland IS anti genocide, however.

Thank you @peepsypops. This about sums it up.

I do find it interesting that someone from a country that has such a terrible history with colonialism and the devastation that they left when they withdrew from every country that they were in (and still refuse to leave some of them even to this day), finds the time to comment about a text book in use in Irish schools. We are at least taught about the English occupying our land, the genocide that was perpetrated on the Irish people (note it's affectionately knows by the term the IRISH famine to distance themselves from this genocide to their closest neighbours) and we won't talk about the issues around The Troubles (again, given a gentler name than what was being experienced by the residents of the Six Counties).

But let's talk about a text book. I'm sure there are plenty of UK schools using text books displaying history in a way that UK = Good, everyone else = not so good or painted in a less than favourable light.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 13/11/2024 18:40

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 15:56

Do you think those textbooks are not real, or not in use?

What's the name of the textbook? Is it actually on the curriculum?

The government seem to have vetted all material and deny allegations. I think that article may be scaremongering.

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 18:45

Dulra · 13/11/2024 18:02

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Thank you very much, I appreciate the time you took with that and think it’s helpful. I can’t see anything as problematic as the examples in the JC, although my phone is monstrously unhelpful so I will have a good look on a bigger screen.

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Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 19:08

Reading the article, I can confirm that the INTO had long promoted the Palestine cause,has a committee regarding this and will be co-hosting a conference on the Rights of the Palestinian child in January. It is not anti semitic for a teachers organization to be concerned about children that have had no right to education for over a year.
Am very proud to be a member.

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 19:14

Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 19:08

Reading the article, I can confirm that the INTO had long promoted the Palestine cause,has a committee regarding this and will be co-hosting a conference on the Rights of the Palestinian child in January. It is not anti semitic for a teachers organization to be concerned about children that have had no right to education for over a year.
Am very proud to be a member.

Bravo!

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 19:16

username358 · 13/11/2024 18:28

There are. Are those pictures of books used in Ireland? I don't live in Ireland and can't verify the pictures.

So you think the Jewish Chronicle might have got the textbooks somewhere else and pretended they're from Ireland for some reason.

RecycleMePlease · 13/11/2024 19:32

https://schoolbooks.ie/search?options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=CSPE

It's there as one of the options - and only a couple left, so someone's using them. Not my kids schools - and I've read my eldest's secondary one and it has nothing like this.

Of course the primary level ones are kept in school now, and purchased by the school, so I've no idea what's in those (although I do know the titles at least)

Search: 23 results found for "CSPE"

Ireland's No.1 for Primary & Secondary School Books, Junior & Leaving Cert Exam Papers, Revision Guides, Stationery, School Bags & Backpacks

https://schoolbooks.ie/search?options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=CSPE

Marblesbackagain · 13/11/2024 19:35

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 19:16

So you think the Jewish Chronicle might have got the textbooks somewhere else and pretended they're from Ireland for some reason.

As said earlier anyone can write and publish a book. Schools pick what suit them. I have never seen what is described so the JC may be unwittingly referencing someone's unused book 🤷‍♀️

Liv999 · 13/11/2024 19:44

Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 19:08

Reading the article, I can confirm that the INTO had long promoted the Palestine cause,has a committee regarding this and will be co-hosting a conference on the Rights of the Palestinian child in January. It is not anti semitic for a teachers organization to be concerned about children that have had no right to education for over a year.
Am very proud to be a member.

👏👏

Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 19:47

The image in the article is from the Junior. infant Grow in Love . It refers to the story of the crucifixion and how the chief priests offered Judas 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus. This is according to Bible stories .
How is antisemitism to portray them as Jewish? (Genuine question not rhetorical)

Ireland, is this true?
SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 19:50

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MyHouseIsABusStop · 13/11/2024 19:52

SR71Blackbird · 13/11/2024 14:54

It’s unbelievable and yet not surprising. Ireland’s hostility to Israel is hardly a secret.

Irelands hostility towards illegal occupation and genocide you mean?

But of course, you can't call Israel out for anything or your branded and antisemite

ThereTheyGo · 13/11/2024 19:54

You wonder whether a small country on the edge of Europe can actually influence change in terms of the Israeli campaign of genocide in Gaza. But this tells me that actually our actions are having an impact if we start seeing Ireland being intentionally discredited as a result. I hope our government continues to speak up for the colonised and oppressed.

Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 19:55

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So you don't see Christianity as a legitimate religion.

whytetulip · 13/11/2024 20:05

So then why are Jewish pupils moving schools? Why did a parent say that she had seen the book used in her daughter's school?

You seem determined to paint the article as a fabrication and I don't know why.

1WanderingWomble · 13/11/2024 20:08

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Aren't you charming.

Afreebird · 13/11/2024 20:13

I am not Irish but the hate I see towards the Irish for being anti-genocide is incredulous. I can only hope that the English government will one day take a leaf out of their book.

Martymcfly24 · 13/11/2024 20:20

To me the article is hysterical as opposed to a fabrication. Criticizing having Greta Thurnberg a well known environmentalist for being an anti Zionist on the front of a Civics books seems a tad nit picking.

On a day where we heard testimony from a doctor that the IDF were using drones to shoot children in the head after an airstrike I feel we may be focusing on the wrong things.

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