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Dulra · 22/12/2024 11:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 10:36

Michael D Higgins is not entirely consistent with his condemnation of aggressive and dangerous states.
He wrote a letter congratulating the Iranian president on his appointment . Iran funds the Hamas terrorists who orchestrated October 7th and made life so terrible for the people of Gaza.
https://x.com/gavreilly/status/1837919750959075346?s=46

Edited to add - the community notes on the twitter pages are also interesting

Edited

So did EU not sure what point you're trying to make. Congratulating a new world leader doesn't mean you can't condemn the countries human rights record. I'm sure he would have congratulated Netanyahu too if he was elected during his term as President.

Nabila Massrali, the spokesperson for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy of the European Union, extended congratulations to Pezeshkian, saying the EU stands ready to engage with his administration.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202407065476

EU extends olive branch to Iran's new president amid criticisms

The European Union offered an olive branch to Iran's president-elect Masoud Pezeshkian amid warnings by Iranian opposition figures and dissidents against any "appeasement" with the Islamic Republic's new government.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202407065476

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:07

@Dulra
I’m not so sure Michael D would have congratulated Netanyahu but that’s just speculation on both our parts …
The point I’m trying to make is that the Irish president is partisan . Not only did he congratulate the Iranian president he blamed Israel for leaking his letter of congratulation.( It wasn’t Israel - Iran themselves published his letter)
Why did he accuse Israel if there was no concern about the letter being made public? It’s quite odd..
Re the EU offering congratulations- I would make the same criticism as I’m making of Michael D . It’s a double standard . We all know Iran funds the terrorists that threaten the existence of Israel and were the catalyst that brought about this latest terrible conflict.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:14

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkw7vg727o.amp

Dulra · 22/12/2024 12:16

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:07

@Dulra
I’m not so sure Michael D would have congratulated Netanyahu but that’s just speculation on both our parts …
The point I’m trying to make is that the Irish president is partisan . Not only did he congratulate the Iranian president he blamed Israel for leaking his letter of congratulation.( It wasn’t Israel - Iran themselves published his letter)
Why did he accuse Israel if there was no concern about the letter being made public? It’s quite odd..
Re the EU offering congratulations- I would make the same criticism as I’m making of Michael D . It’s a double standard . We all know Iran funds the terrorists that threaten the existence of Israel and were the catalyst that brought about this latest terrible conflict.

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I’m not so sure Michael D would have congratulated Netanyahu but that’s just speculation on both our parts …
Of course he would he's the head of state that's what they do, it's diplomacy same reason the EU did.

Why did he accuse Israel if there was no concern about the letter being made public? It’s quite odd..
I don't know, there has been conflicting information on this. I would imagine the issue was Israel using the letter as a stick to beat him with. Did they criticise all the other global leaders for their congratulations?

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 12:25

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 10:30

Of course! I think several posters on here are rightly pointing out their concerns with Netanyahu

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That is not what I meant.
You said, and I quote, "My point was that Michael D cannot say whatever he thinks about Israel without due regard to the facts and consequences.".
Does this also apply to Netanyahu when he criticizes Ireland?

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:30

Dulra · 22/12/2024 12:16

I’m not so sure Michael D would have congratulated Netanyahu but that’s just speculation on both our parts …
Of course he would he's the head of state that's what they do, it's diplomacy same reason the EU did.

Why did he accuse Israel if there was no concern about the letter being made public? It’s quite odd..
I don't know, there has been conflicting information on this. I would imagine the issue was Israel using the letter as a stick to beat him with. Did they criticise all the other global leaders for their congratulations?

“Of course he would he's the head of state that's what they do, it's diplomacy same reason the EU did.”
Hmm .. it’s not what they normally do for rogue states in a situation of conflict such as this ..
I can’t imagine congratulations being sent to Putin for diplomatic reasons.
There is a double standard
www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/01/brussels-defends-presence-of-senior-eu-diplomat-in-irans-presidential-inauguration

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:32

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 12:25

That is not what I meant.
You said, and I quote, "My point was that Michael D cannot say whatever he thinks about Israel without due regard to the facts and consequences.".
Does this also apply to Netanyahu when he criticizes Ireland?

Yes - absolutely. Sorry for misunderstanding

Piverlool · 22/12/2024 12:58

Not only did he congratulate the Iranian president he blamed Israel for leaking his letter of congratulation.( It wasn’t Israel - Iran themselves published his letter)

He has denied accusing them of ‘leaking’ the letter though. He said that they circulated the letter.

Martymcfly24 · 22/12/2024 13:14

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:30

“Of course he would he's the head of state that's what they do, it's diplomacy same reason the EU did.”
Hmm .. it’s not what they normally do for rogue states in a situation of conflict such as this ..
I can’t imagine congratulations being sent to Putin for diplomatic reasons.
There is a double standard
www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/01/brussels-defends-presence-of-senior-eu-diplomat-in-irans-presidential-inauguration

It's a double standard that Russia were not allowed to participate in Eurovision and kicked out of football competitions while Israel is not.
It's double standards that American retail companies pulled out of Russia but sponsored food for the IDF.
It's double standards that Putin does not leave Russia due to the arrest warrant but Netanyahu can visit the states and get a standing ovation in the USS government with the same warrant on him.
It's double standards that Israel have killed more children this year than all other conflicts combined but still have the support of most major governments.

And hands off Michael D, he's a legend.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:14

Piverlool · 22/12/2024 12:58

Not only did he congratulate the Iranian president he blamed Israel for leaking his letter of congratulation.( It wasn’t Israel - Iran themselves published his letter)

He has denied accusing them of ‘leaking’ the letter though. He said that they circulated the letter.

Yes.
But I’m disturbed that the President of Ireland ( and any EU representative) would offer congratulations to Iran at this sensitive time in the Middle East.
I consider Iran in large part responsible for the terrible suffering of Gazans / Israelis and the Lebanese .
I also condemn Netanyahu who, like the Iranian government, doesn’t care about the lives of innocent civilians.
It is deeply hypocritical of the Irish president to send a letter of congratulations to the Iranian president without condemning their actions in the same way he has condemned Israel.

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:19

It's deeply hypocritical for the Israeli government to condemn Ireland for being anti-semitic in their opinion whilst they are openly islamophobic and have a huge problem with attacks on Christians and Christian sites.

They have some cheek criticising Ireland when a mosque in the west bank was burnt last week be Jewish terrorists with racist slogans in hebrew spray painted on it. Whose enabling the terrorist settlers, if not the Israeli government?

Toomanywars · 22/12/2024 13:22

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 10:36

Michael D Higgins is not entirely consistent with his condemnation of aggressive and dangerous states.
He wrote a letter congratulating the Iranian president on his appointment . Iran funds the Hamas terrorists who orchestrated October 7th and made life so terrible for the people of Gaza.
https://x.com/gavreilly/status/1837919750959075346?s=46

Edited to add - the community notes on the twitter pages are also interesting

Edited

Ummm obviously that's bypass many

Martymcfly24 · 22/12/2024 13:23

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:19

It's deeply hypocritical for the Israeli government to condemn Ireland for being anti-semitic in their opinion whilst they are openly islamophobic and have a huge problem with attacks on Christians and Christian sites.

They have some cheek criticising Ireland when a mosque in the west bank was burnt last week be Jewish terrorists with racist slogans in hebrew spray painted on it. Whose enabling the terrorist settlers, if not the Israeli government?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-bans-islamic-call-prayer-escalating-discrimination

And banned the call to prayer for Muslims.

Israel bans Islamic call to prayer

Ben Gvir stops mosques from playing the adhan, saying it 'disturbs' Jewish residents

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-bans-islamic-call-prayer-escalating-discrimination

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:24

Another Jewish extremist vandalised the entrance to a Palestinian Christian village and damaged the statue of Mary just before Christmas. The Israeli government should look closer to home at what they have enabled and emboldened extremists to do.

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:29

A government of hypocrites.

Among the messages sprayed on the wall were “Death to Arabs,” and "the righteous will rejoice because he sees revenge," a quote from the Hebrew Bible's book of Psalms.

Can you imagine if this was the reverse in Ireland?

Ireland, is this true?
OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:33

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:19

It's deeply hypocritical for the Israeli government to condemn Ireland for being anti-semitic in their opinion whilst they are openly islamophobic and have a huge problem with attacks on Christians and Christian sites.

They have some cheek criticising Ireland when a mosque in the west bank was burnt last week be Jewish terrorists with racist slogans in hebrew spray painted on it. Whose enabling the terrorist settlers, if not the Israeli government?

That’s true.
But life in Iran is not great for Christians either.
Hold Israel to account absolutely. But don’t ignore Iran’s complicity in events.
There is a double standard.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:34

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:29

A government of hypocrites.

Among the messages sprayed on the wall were “Death to Arabs,” and "the righteous will rejoice because he sees revenge," a quote from the Hebrew Bible's book of Psalms.

Can you imagine if this was the reverse in Ireland?

I don’t disagree.
Iran is also guilty of oppression

MothToAnInferno · 22/12/2024 13:40

Martymcfly24 · 22/12/2024 13:14

It's a double standard that Russia were not allowed to participate in Eurovision and kicked out of football competitions while Israel is not.
It's double standards that American retail companies pulled out of Russia but sponsored food for the IDF.
It's double standards that Putin does not leave Russia due to the arrest warrant but Netanyahu can visit the states and get a standing ovation in the USS government with the same warrant on him.
It's double standards that Israel have killed more children this year than all other conflicts combined but still have the support of most major governments.

And hands off Michael D, he's a legend.

Pretty much this. Michael D is a better man than most, he has dedicated his life to peaceful debate and diplomacy. He has won a peace prize in recognition of his work for peace and justice in many parts of the world. He represents the very best of Ireland, a strong, principled man who will leave a great legacy behind him.

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:42

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:33

That’s true.
But life in Iran is not great for Christians either.
Hold Israel to account absolutely. But don’t ignore Iran’s complicity in events.
There is a double standard.

But the Irish government are not doing that are they? Once again you are insisting on talking about other countries when posters have explained time and time again that the only reason the treatment of minorities in Israel is highlighted is to show the deep hypocrisy of what they are accusing Ireland of. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 13:45

https://archive.is/ib7AH

A clarification of the comments for those continuing to pursue this non-story.

MothToAnInferno · 22/12/2024 13:45

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:33

That’s true.
But life in Iran is not great for Christians either.
Hold Israel to account absolutely. But don’t ignore Iran’s complicity in events.
There is a double standard.

Google Ireland condemns Iran. See if Ireland are ignoring it.

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 13:48

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:34

I don’t disagree.
Iran is also guilty of oppression

If you're genuinely upset about this hypocrisy what do you make of the significant EU sanctions on Iran and zero against Israel? Hugely hypocritical surely?

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:54

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 13:48

If you're genuinely upset about this hypocrisy what do you make of the significant EU sanctions on Iran and zero against Israel? Hugely hypocritical surely?

Yes . I agree. That’s a fair point.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:00

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 13:42

But the Irish government are not doing that are they? Once again you are insisting on talking about other countries when posters have explained time and time again that the only reason the treatment of minorities in Israel is highlighted is to show the deep hypocrisy of what they are accusing Ireland of. Why is that so difficult to understand?

I agree with that point.
But I also feel that alongside the condemnation of Israel ( and I am as horrified by the treatment of the Palestinians as you) should come condemnation of Iran.
Offering congratulations to Iran ( who have helped fan the flames of this conflict) is not a good move at this time.
Muchael D Higgins may well be a “legend” and I know he has done lots of laudable things. That doesn’t mean he can’t be criticised or is incapable of a wrong step.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:02

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 13:45

https://archive.is/ib7AH

A clarification of the comments for those continuing to pursue this non-story.

Calling something a non story is the equivalent of “move along … nothing to see here”
It just raises suspicion rather than quells it.

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