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Martymcfly24 · 22/12/2024 14:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:02

Calling something a non story is the equivalent of “move along … nothing to see here”
It just raises suspicion rather than quells it.

Suspicion by who,

. It's the Israeli press who have jumped on this story. And let's face it they are hardly impartial. Let's face it they literally invented "move along nothing to see here" when the rest of the world is discussing them snipering 6 year olds in cars or their soldiers raping prisoners .

Irish people by the vast majority continue to think he is a "legend" .
Most major news outlets around the world don't care .

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 14:16

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:02

Calling something a non story is the equivalent of “move along … nothing to see here”
It just raises suspicion rather than quells it.

Exactly. There is nothing to see here. Only people with an axe to grind or people who are too naive to realise that they are falling for anti-Irish propaganda are going on and on about this non-story.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:21

I remain dismayed that the Irish president congratulated the Iranian president.
I don’t agree that it was a diplomatic necessity.
Obviously Irish posters don’t agree.
Have to agree to disagree on this.

Dulra · 22/12/2024 14:56

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:21

I remain dismayed that the Irish president congratulated the Iranian president.
I don’t agree that it was a diplomatic necessity.
Obviously Irish posters don’t agree.
Have to agree to disagree on this.

You need to list every other country and the EU that did too, it's important to be non partisan .... I wouldn't want you to be accused of an anti Irish bias

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 14:58

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 09:56

My point was that Michael D cannot say whatever he thinks about Israel without due regard to the facts and consequences.

Oh, I agree.

Yet Israel can say whatever it thinks about Ireland without due regard to the facts and consequences.

That different standard again...

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:02

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 12:07

@Dulra
I’m not so sure Michael D would have congratulated Netanyahu but that’s just speculation on both our parts …
The point I’m trying to make is that the Irish president is partisan . Not only did he congratulate the Iranian president he blamed Israel for leaking his letter of congratulation.( It wasn’t Israel - Iran themselves published his letter)
Why did he accuse Israel if there was no concern about the letter being made public? It’s quite odd..
Re the EU offering congratulations- I would make the same criticism as I’m making of Michael D . It’s a double standard . We all know Iran funds the terrorists that threaten the existence of Israel and were the catalyst that brought about this latest terrible conflict.

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American is partisan in its support of Israel.

The funds and weapons they send to Israel kill Gazans.

Yet they set themselves as negotiators of peace...

Lalaloveya · 22/12/2024 15:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 14:21

I remain dismayed that the Irish president congratulated the Iranian president.
I don’t agree that it was a diplomatic necessity.
Obviously Irish posters don’t agree.
Have to agree to disagree on this.

Well I'm dismayed that Israel is making false allegations against me and my government but that's life.

I'm also dismayed that most of the western world supports Israeli genocide. I can't get worked up about the run of the mill letters that foreign heads of state send one another, but good for you I guess.

I'm sure you feel this way about other diplomatic efforts and it's not an anti-Irish bias.

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:12

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:14

Yes.
But I’m disturbed that the President of Ireland ( and any EU representative) would offer congratulations to Iran at this sensitive time in the Middle East.
I consider Iran in large part responsible for the terrible suffering of Gazans / Israelis and the Lebanese .
I also condemn Netanyahu who, like the Iranian government, doesn’t care about the lives of innocent civilians.
It is deeply hypocritical of the Irish president to send a letter of congratulations to the Iranian president without condemning their actions in the same way he has condemned Israel.

Would you agree that the best way to prove Micheal D wrong is to open Gaza.

Don't you think that by giving the international community the right to go in, and indeed the Gazans the right to go home, Israel can prove people wrong?

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:19

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 13:34

I don’t disagree.
Iran is also guilty of oppression

Iran this...Iran that.

I think you should start a thread about Iran and your worries about that regime.

Although it does seem that Israels targeted bombing and Americas sanctions are quite effective.

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:22

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OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 15:55

Dulra · 22/12/2024 14:56

You need to list every other country and the EU that did too, it's important to be non partisan .... I wouldn't want you to be accused of an anti Irish bias

I think that is just what you are accusing me of @Dulra.
I haven’t got any anti Irish bias .
This thread is about Ireland and Israel .

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 15:56

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Ok…😎

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 15:57

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:19

Iran this...Iran that.

I think you should start a thread about Iran and your worries about that regime.

Although it does seem that Israels targeted bombing and Americas sanctions are quite effective.

You’re obviously ok with congratulating Iran and don’t share my worries.
That’s fine . I’m entitled to my views.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:00

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:12

Would you agree that the best way to prove Micheal D wrong is to open Gaza.

Don't you think that by giving the international community the right to go in, and indeed the Gazans the right to go home, Israel can prove people wrong?

I think Israel have behaved appallingly in Gaza.
I have never defended their actions in Gaza.
It is possible to condemn Israel and to condemn Israel’s enemy Iran.
It doesn’t have to be either/or

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:01

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 14:58

Oh, I agree.

Yet Israel can say whatever it thinks about Ireland without due regard to the facts and consequences.

That different standard again...

I’ve never said Israel can say what it likes about Ireland.

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 16:01

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 15:55

I think that is just what you are accusing me of @Dulra.
I haven’t got any anti Irish bias .
This thread is about Ireland and Israel .

Yet you insist on talking about Iran and all the other countries in the middle east.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:02

andIsaid · 22/12/2024 15:02

American is partisan in its support of Israel.

The funds and weapons they send to Israel kill Gazans.

Yet they set themselves as negotiators of peace...

The fact that other countries use the region for their proxy wars is the reason why Palestinians lives have been destroyed.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:03

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 16:01

Yet you insist on talking about Iran and all the other countries in the middle east.

Yes - because the Irish president congratulated the country who orchestrated October 7th.
A bad move imo

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 16:06

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:03

Yes - because the Irish president congratulated the country who orchestrated October 7th.
A bad move imo

As did the EU? It is just diplomacy.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:08

Afreebird · 22/12/2024 16:06

As did the EU? It is just diplomacy.

it’s bad diplomacy in my view.

I think Ireland’s support of Palestinian civilians is right but I think it’s not acceptable to congratulate Iran at this particular time.
Iran is a major cause of the Palestinian suffering.
If you truly support innocent Palestinians you should not offer congratulations to the country that has caused such suffering.

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 16:17

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:08

it’s bad diplomacy in my view.

I think Ireland’s support of Palestinian civilians is right but I think it’s not acceptable to congratulate Iran at this particular time.
Iran is a major cause of the Palestinian suffering.
If you truly support innocent Palestinians you should not offer congratulations to the country that has caused such suffering.

The suffering of Palestinians lays at the feet of the Israeli government.
Iran has not dropped the equivalent of 2 nuclear bombs, Iran is not deliberately depriving the Gazans of food, water and medical supplies, Iran is not destroying every civilian infrastructure (hospitals/mosques/churches/ schools...). Shall I go on?

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:41

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 16:17

The suffering of Palestinians lays at the feet of the Israeli government.
Iran has not dropped the equivalent of 2 nuclear bombs, Iran is not deliberately depriving the Gazans of food, water and medical supplies, Iran is not destroying every civilian infrastructure (hospitals/mosques/churches/ schools...). Shall I go on?

No - it’s fine. I’m well aware.
I assume you’re also well aware of Iran’s influence in the region?

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 17:09

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 16:41

No - it’s fine. I’m well aware.
I assume you’re also well aware of Iran’s influence in the region?

Of course I am but they are not the ones slaughtering women and children in Gaza, are they?

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/12/2024 17:14

Auvergne63 · 22/12/2024 17:09

Of course I am but they are not the ones slaughtering women and children in Gaza, are they?

Through their support of Hamas they have certainly contributed to the plight of Palestinians and to the general instability in the region. So yes - I think they are in part responsible for Palestinian suffering.

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