Do You See the Conflict in the Middle East as a Religious War or a Land Grab?

[Oodiks]

Is it a religious war, with Iran, Hezbollah, the Houthis, &c supporting Hamas aims of destroying the 'Zionist Project', aka the Jewish homeland, and Global Jihad, or is it a land grab by Israel?

Land Grab & Genocide
Justified as self defence

@Oodiks you can read more about the proposed resettlement of the Gaza Strip here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Israeli_resettlement_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Putting aside the legitimacy of the election, it’s a chicken and egg situation. Perhaps if Israel hadn’t terrorised Palestinians for decades, taking their homes and killing many innocent Palestinians in the process too, a party that promised freedom from that wouldn’t have been so appealing to Palestinians. Claiming people hate Israel because it’s a Jewish state is simply a smokescreen for Israel’s behaviour.

I’m glad the whole world is finally seeing what Israel is really like. But whether it will change anything in the long run, I doubt it.

Greedy land grab.

No I don't think religious wars or crimes are honorable, that's why I put it in quotation marks.

It's been going on since 1967.

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A nicely biased question and voting option, there, with no mention of any other religious or political factors.

Why 1967, why not 1948? Why not earlier, when Zionists started buying land in the area that was controlled by the Ottomans to escape persecution in Europe?

There's an 'other' option if you disagree with the given options.

A charter written in the wake of the Sabra and Shatila massacres done under the watch of the invading IDF who brought in a Lebanese militia and egged them on with lies about these refugee camps being full of terrorists? Wow, can’t imagine why they’d think that.

Not so, I referenced the Hamas charter, you sidestepped so it looks like you don't have a problem with it.

There’s your answer. Buying land is very different from stealing land. If this was a religious war, then it would have been happening from as early as 1948 as you say.

You referenced the long superseded old charter if we are going to be accurate.

Which doesn't change that your question and the options provided are biased. They're also overly simplistic for a complex situation. If you want an actually useful response from your poll, you need to ask a question that doesn't in itself skew readers' reactions and to present meaningful answers. It looks like all your question is trying to achieve is to further add to the "Muslims are antisemitic and pose religiously motivated threats to people" stereotyping which is so harmful and unhelpful, without so much as a mention of any religious extremism which could be factoring in to how Israel is choosing to act. Even the "maybe Israel could be in the wrong a bit" option minimises the contributing factors.

The Nakba started in 1947 and was mostly ethnic cleansing and massacres of Palestinian villages. The purchase of land was done prior to WWII.

Land grab dressed up as "self defence" against Muslims/brown people so it's more palatable for all the Americans who see their tax dollars literally going up in smoke.

If it is a religious war, then it is against Muslims and Christians both.

By November 2023, the IDF had killed 10% of all Gazan Christians and flattened the 3rd oldest church in the world.

In Lebanon, Christian majority villages in the north have been targeted as well.

Why would Israel have withdrawn from Gaza in 2005 if it was bent on a land grab?

A land grab. I recommend reading ‘My Promised Land’ by the Israeli journalist, Ari Shavit. He describes the development of Israel and how, from the beginning, there were some zionists who thought they would need to fight the Arabs for the land. During the 1930s, they trained so that when the time came - and the UN plan gave the opportunity - they had a well trained guerilla force ready to attack Palestinian villages and cities to drive them out and claim the land.

From the beginning, Israel has consistently used attacks as an opportunity to expand.

Shavit also describes the different experience of the jews from Europe and the Middle East. While Israel was created as a refuge from European antisemitism, Middle Eastern jewish populations had experienced ‘tranquility’ before the creation of Israel.

So yes, a land grab.

It disengaged, it never withdrew, Gaza has been occupied by Israel since 1967.

Why is it now demolishing as much as possible and hosting conventions on making Palestinians migrate to “other countries” and making plans to settle Gaza? Why are some companies in the US already holding real estate events to “sell” Palestinian land in West Bank and Gaza to American Jews so they can emigrate?

I'm not sure it matters when Israels withdrawal of settlers from Gaza(it is important to mention that Gaza has remained under Israeli military occupation) happened in one of the very few years in decades that Israelis didn't choose Netanyahu as their prime minister. In fact wasn't Netanyahu so against it that he resigned from his position as finance minister? So has Netanyahu wanted Gaza to be settled by Israelis all along and is now just seizing his moment?

The conflict, like any conflict, is complicated. The history of the Middle East is the most complex of anywhere on earth.

But if there is a unifying concept to Israeli action it’s a well-founded concern for the very existence of the homeland and its people.

Only Jews are disbelieved about their fears of obliteration, despite the historical record. Only Israel is fixated on by protestors in this country and elsewhere who want to challenge its actions. We all know why those attitudes persist.

Yes of course I knew that. Sorry, not sure what I was thinking when I posted!

I was referencing the original charter, which has not actually been repudiated by Hamas, as that was the charter in place when the people of Gaza voted for Hamas back in 2006.