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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency?

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Oodiks · 19/10/2024 20:49

Why is it that all other refugees come under the protection of the UNCHR and are resettled in another country if they cannot return home, but UNWRA keeps Palestinians in camps all over the Middle East and they are never offered the chance to resettle in their host countries?

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Alwayslookonthe · 23/10/2024 12:43

@Dulra

I will admit I am not an expert on this

Clearly.

Dulra · 23/10/2024 13:23

Alwayslookonthe · 23/10/2024 12:43

@Dulra

I will admit I am not an expert on this

Clearly.

I haven't posted anything that isn't from UN websites so they clearly aren't either

Dulra · 23/10/2024 13:27

The only UN member looking to shut UNWRA are Israel, without any consultation with those that would be directly impacted by this so I'm definitely sceptical about the reason they're looking for its closure

Daftasabroom · 23/10/2024 14:26

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 12:36

You've missed the point. Its unwra schools & ngo programmes that are responsible for that not so much hamas who have outsorced their responsibility for their citizens.

I think you're trying to frame Hamas as something they were never going be.

inamarina · 23/10/2024 14:37

Daftasabroom · 23/10/2024 14:26

I think you're trying to frame Hamas as something they were never going be.

Why not though? Wouldn’t it have been their job as the government of Gaza?

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 14:46

Daftasabroom · 23/10/2024 14:26

I think you're trying to frame Hamas as something they were never going be.

Ok, so what was your point about high levels of literacy? Not sure I understand. I agree that Hamas never had any intention of looking after its citizens.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 16:01

Daftasabroom · 23/10/2024 08:27

Ottoman control of the region was very different to that of the western powers that replaced it.

It's also absolutely preposterous to imply that being subjugated by one or another imperial power somehow means that there is no such place as Palestine, and by implication that Palestinians have no right to live in the places they have done during living memory.

But yes, maybe we should give it all back to the peoples and their descendants who lived there up until 1946, and have some external ME based actor administer and provide security.

Not a bad idea really.

Why 1946?

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Oodiks · 23/10/2024 16:09

Daftasabroom · 23/10/2024 11:10

Palestinians overall have a higher level of education than Israelis.

You have evidence for this claim?

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Auvergne63 · 23/10/2024 16:27

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 16:09

You have evidence for this claim?

Literacy rate, adult total (% of people ages 15 and above) - West Bank and Gaza | Data
Israel is at 92%. Gaza 97%

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 17:03

I'm in awe of palestinians

A higher level of education. And in an open air prison too

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MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:17

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 17:03

I'm in awe of palestinians

A higher level of education. And in an open air prison too

Oppressed people probably feel a high sense of motivation to put themselves in the best position possible within their circumstances. All credit to them for doing that.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 17:19

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 16:01

Why 1946?

Until 1948 anyone, Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, who lived in the British Mandate in Palestine was a Palestinian.

You're advocating for a one state solution where Palestine is governed by the British again? Interesting.

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Dulra · 23/10/2024 17:21

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 17:03

I'm in awe of palestinians

A higher level of education. And in an open air prison too

Is there a reason why you would think they don't have access to schools and universities? Sorry did, they're rubble now and children have lost over a year of education and counting

MagicChocolate · 23/10/2024 17:25

MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:17

Oppressed people probably feel a high sense of motivation to put themselves in the best position possible within their circumstances. All credit to them for doing that.

And probably the Haredim bring the Israeli average down

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 17:25

MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:17

Oppressed people probably feel a high sense of motivation to put themselves in the best position possible within their circumstances. All credit to them for doing that.

If you look at the useful list in @Oodiks links you'll see it doesn't really correlate to levels of oppression. To achieve high levels you need organisational commitment as well as individual motivation. And there are always different factors at play. Cuba historically had super high literacy as part of their wanting to be seen to be a successful country with added benefit of making it easier to transmit propaganda. And as the link also shows literacy is only part of educational attainment. I would be interested to know a bit more about how such high literacy is achieved.

MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:30

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 17:25

If you look at the useful list in @Oodiks links you'll see it doesn't really correlate to levels of oppression. To achieve high levels you need organisational commitment as well as individual motivation. And there are always different factors at play. Cuba historically had super high literacy as part of their wanting to be seen to be a successful country with added benefit of making it easier to transmit propaganda. And as the link also shows literacy is only part of educational attainment. I would be interested to know a bit more about how such high literacy is achieved.

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Well it's all a moot point now isn't it? Because what possibility of education is there for the children in Gaza that manage to survive? No schools, no universities, and of course most of the staff and pupils are probably dead or at best missing.

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 17:32

MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:30

Well it's all a moot point now isn't it? Because what possibility of education is there for the children in Gaza that manage to survive? No schools, no universities, and of course most of the staff and pupils are probably dead or at best missing.

Interesting that you brought up educational attainment only to deflect when proved wrong.

Cool, cool.

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SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 17:32

MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:30

Well it's all a moot point now isn't it? Because what possibility of education is there for the children in Gaza that manage to survive? No schools, no universities, and of course most of the staff and pupils are probably dead or at best missing.

I don't think its moot at all. I think a. I'm
allowed to be interested in how it was achieved and b. if you're interested in reconstruction you'd build on good practice.

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 17:35

@MissyB1 and that really is being overdramatic. However difficult things are and will be, the majority of people are NOT dead or missing. How does it help to say things like that?

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MissyB1 · 23/10/2024 17:36

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 17:32

Interesting that you brought up educational attainment only to deflect when proved wrong.

Cool, cool.

Do yiu have any comment on the future for their education now? Certainly not looking "cool" is it?

SharonEllis · 23/10/2024 17:39

Oodiks · 23/10/2024 17:35

This is an interesting read on the textbooks used in schools in Gaza, provided by Hamas.

Hamas rewrites history in new textbooks for Gaza Strip schoolchildren | PBS News

Educational attainment my arse.

See my point above about Cuba! Literacy is great, but if its not accompanied by teaching critical thinking and free media then its just a tool for manipulation.

TheABC · 23/10/2024 17:46

I was under the impression that UNRWA helped the Gazan Palestinians with education, food schemes for the poor and health care. Things that we would normally expect from a government.

Now, show me where Hamas has acted like a government. Did they sort out escorts for the food trucks, open up tunnels for civilians to shelter from bombs or set up health clinics when the hospitals were destroyed?

They certainly didn't have any problems stockpiling guns, rockets and bullets.

FWIW, I want the Palestinians to have peace, dignity and autonomy. They're not getting it under Hamas or Israel.

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