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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency?

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Oodiks · 19/10/2024 20:49

Why is it that all other refugees come under the protection of the UNCHR and are resettled in another country if they cannot return home, but UNWRA keeps Palestinians in camps all over the Middle East and they are never offered the chance to resettle in their host countries?

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:30

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:26

What's sinister about wishing that Palestinian refugees, like all others, are given the chance to resettle elsewhere?
Voluntary resettlement is acceptable but forced displacement of a population is a feature of genocide. It seems from your posts that you would like them to integrate locally and hand over the Palestinian Territories to the Israelis. But maybe we’re misinterpreting your posts.

Perhaps you are misinterpreting. What do you think the ‘right of return’ means?
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:36

Dulra · 22/10/2024 21:49

You understand that a lot of UNWRA workers are also working for Hamas, right?
No they're not, this has not been proven. The 6 of 7 that Israel claimed were have been dismissed and are being investigated. You do know Israel vets every UNWRA employee?

UN completes investigation on UNRWA staff | UN News

"...evidence obtained by OIOS indicated that the UNRWA staff members may have been involved in the 7 October attacks.
UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini issued a statement acknowledging the completion of the probe.
“I have decided that in the case of these remaining nine staff members, they cannot work for UNRWA. All contracts of these staff members will be terminated in the interest of the Agency,” he said."

UN completes investigation on UNRWA staff

The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel. 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

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ChangedNameAgain77 · 22/10/2024 22:36

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Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:39

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You mean stating that the Palestinians do not have the ‘right of return’. No definitely not misinformation.
Just clearing up the myth that is so often repeated.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:40

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 22:39

You mean stating that the Palestinians do not have the ‘right of return’. No definitely not misinformation.
Just clearing up the myth that is so often repeated.

Glad you’re reading though.

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:40

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You're accusing me of being a foreign actor because I'm questioning why one refugee group gets their own special agency?

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Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:50

@Alwayslookonthe
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?
The 1967 boundaries.Those displaced from the land designated as Israel should be compensated adequately for their losses.

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:51

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:26

What's sinister about wishing that Palestinian refugees, like all others, are given the chance to resettle elsewhere?
Voluntary resettlement is acceptable but forced displacement of a population is a feature of genocide. It seems from your posts that you would like them to integrate locally and hand over the Palestinian Territories to the Israelis. But maybe we’re misinterpreting your posts.

I don't see what's wrong with wanting them to be resettled in the countries that currently keep them in camps and won't allow them any rights. I think it's a crying shame that a whole population is being used as pawns in this religious war.

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 22:53

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:50

@Alwayslookonthe
Where do Palestinians think they have the ‘right to return’ to?
The 1967 boundaries.Those displaced from the land designated as Israel should be compensated adequately for their losses.

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Do you have a map of those boundaries?

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Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:54

@Oodiks The milk of human kindness.

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:59

No map that will copy.
The pro- Israeli posters here think forced displacement is a good idea for the Palestinians but once the 1967 borders are mentioned maybe it’s not so much good

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:00

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:54

@Oodiks The milk of human kindness.

Your answer to the question of why Palestinian refugees have a separate refugee agency is kindness? Who is this kind to? These people have been held in limbo for decades now.

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:00

Kindatired · 22/10/2024 22:59

No map that will copy.
The pro- Israeli posters here think forced displacement is a good idea for the Palestinians but once the 1967 borders are mentioned maybe it’s not so much good

So, no map that actually exists then.

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LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:01

What religious war? The oil war and land grab?
People want to go home. That's all. Home where their families lived for centuries, however non-westernly.

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 23:02

@Kindatired

To the Palestinians, the ‘right of return’ means to Israel.
The Israelis always thought this was a bargaining chip. They found out in 2000 and 2008, it wasn’t.
The Palestinians are not using the ‘right of return’ to mean Gaza or the West Bank.
No wonder you were confused. Hope that has cleared it up.
Palestinians do not have a ‘right to return’ to Israel.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:03

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Agree @MNHQ -- whether or not this poster is known to you as a real person, their time and energy here suggests they're playing a different role at least this once.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:05

Can't wait for the day some neo-pagan Italian Romans displace modern Britishers from ancient Roman territories and decide the Britishers should resettle nicely in 'new homes' in Greenland or somewhere

Alwayslookonthe · 22/10/2024 23:09

Throughout the world in the 1940s and 1950s (when the Palestinians became refugees )millions and millions of refugees were rehabilitated in the countries that had given them shelter.

600,000 Chineses fled to Hong Kong in 1949
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

14 million Hindu and Muslim refugees found shelter in India and Pakistan, respectively, following partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

3.1 million fled North Korea to South Korea in the 1950-1953 conflict.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

800,000 Jews had to flee Arab countries of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
It was tough, it was tragic but they moved on.

10 million ethnic Germans were brutally expelled from Eastern Europe when the borders were redrawn, not because they were Nazis, just because they belonged to the ethnic group that had lost the war. They had lived there for centuries.
These ethnic German refugees also wanted to return to their birthplaces. They did not want to return under foreign rule meaning they wanted Germany to recapture these territories forcefully.
All of Germany’s political leaders paid lip service to the refugee’s demands and public ally supported them but, in reality, did nothing to advance them. Germany focussed on the refugee’s full integration into Germany and pursued wealth redistribution to achieve this. By the early 1960s, the voices demanding a return had all but disappeared.
The German Government realised that to pursue the refugee’s desire to return to their birthplace would have resulted in further conflict and war.
It was tough, it was tragic, but they moved on.

700,000 Palestinians were expelled from the Mandate in 1948.
It was tough, it was tragic but it is time to MOVE ON.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:13

In the cases cited above, I can assure you that many have not moved on.
What breathtaking arrogance; I hope there is a G-d listening to this poster telling people to 'move on'.
That people within living memory should be made to give up their homeland because Europe and America don't want to welcome traumatized Jewish populations into their own countries as new homes is surreal.
Also, if anyone decides to unsettle me from my home, I'm not going to 'move on'.

SharonEllis · 22/10/2024 23:13

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:03

Agree @MNHQ -- whether or not this poster is known to you as a real person, their time and energy here suggests they're playing a different role at least this once.

An incredible accusation given the time and energy other posters put into starting threads and posting, and given that, despite the usual detours into sloganeering, its been an interesting and informative thread.

Lalaloveya · 22/10/2024 23:14

Are any of those populations still enduring a brutal blockade, ongoing ethnic cleansing and in the last year, genocide, not to mention that they still don't have their own state despite previous agreements?

I know it would suit Israel if they'd just disappear somewhere but that doesn't make it reasonable.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:14

SharonEllis · 22/10/2024 23:13

An incredible accusation given the time and energy other posters put into starting threads and posting, and given that, despite the usual detours into sloganeering, its been an interesting and informative thread.

lol no, seen this before in real life too
good night and may the angels bear witness to this thread -- I'm off it

Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:17

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 22/10/2024 23:03

Agree @MNHQ -- whether or not this poster is known to you as a real person, their time and energy here suggests they're playing a different role at least this once.

Because I'm questioning the existence of UNWRA? What role do you think I'm playing? There are plenty of Mumsnetters who support the opposite position expending time and energy on this question, are they playing a role?

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Oodiks · 22/10/2024 23:19

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Lalaloveya · 22/10/2024 23:22

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A bizarre leap of fantasy.

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