Hamas leader dead surely the wat between Israel and Gaza and Lebanon must stop now

[Hunnymonster1]

War not wat can’t edit title oops
Surely Israel have achieved their goal of bringing down the leader of hamas? When I heard that he was dead my first thoughts were that must mean a ceasefire can be done now surely. Or do you think the prime minister of Israel knows his number is up politically soon that’s why he won’t stop the war? Plus we all know a cease fire has to take both sides and just because this leader is dead doesn’t mean another won’t step up
so maybe I am being niave in my point of view

You've no clue at all what Israel intend.

When Hamas surrender unconditionally and release the hostages Israel will stop the war that Hamas started.

If they don't that is the time - and only then - that other countries need interfere.

Meanwhile, Israel will just keep winning the war that they did not start.

When Hamas surrender unconditionally and release the hostages Israel will stop the war that Hamas started.
How is this achieved?

Meanwhile, Israel will just keep winning the war that they did not start.
What does winning look like to you? I don't see any "winning"

We can agree that all countries should absolutely stop supplying arms to either side.

Israeli government ministers have made it absolutely clear what they intend. Israelis have been holding conferences to discuss the settlement of Gaza. Israel continues to support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the West Bank.

This war did not start on 7/10

You see this slaughter as "winning"?

Vile.

Hamas will not surrender unconditionally. Surrender only happens after defeat and the IDF has failed spectacularly to destroy Hamas.

In fact Retired IDF Major General Itzharik Brik told Maariv (an Israeli publication) the following:
"Israel is collapsing. The economy is collapsing, society is collapsing, Israel is at odds with the world and losing it...."

Brik (who in previous interviews has said he still speaks with soldiers in the field) says the IDF is lying to the public that the tunnels are being destroyed. He says Israel may have destroyed just a few percent of the total tunnel network under Hamas’s control. Hamas remains in the tunnels, almost all of them, contrary to what the military claims about having destroyed 50%. They live in tunnels equipped with aircon, fuel, and everything they need. They’ve stockpiled 1-2 years’ worth of food.

Brik explains that the main issue is that the Israeli military, which has significantly declined over recent decades cannot maintain territory for an extended period.

He also talks about the Northern front (Lebanon) where the IDF judging by deaths and casualties of soldiers are, how did a previous poster put it? "being creamed" and are unable to advance into Lebanon: “The army today enters the site to the Litany only three miles. Why? Because this army is tiny. In '78 he came to Litany and in '82 he came to Beirut. Now he only does three miles. "
https://m.maariv.co.il/news/military/article-1144008

Since Hamas started the war during a ceasefire, raped and slaughtered and took hostages, they will have to surrender unconditionally and release their hostages in order for the war they started to stop.

Israel, of course, won't be engaging in a ceasefire with people who declared war on them during a ceasefire. That would be insane.

Suggesting that Israel should engage in a ceasefire with people who waged war on them during a ceasefire would make someone a brutal anti semite.

Yes, it is vile of you to not care about Hamas slaughtering, raping and brutalising women and children when they started a war against Israel during a ceasefire.

So, Israel will continue to win the war that Hamas started until Hamas offers unconditional surrender and gives up the hostages they have had for a year.

Looking forward to Hamas unconditionally surrendering and surrendering their hostages, so the war can stop.

You'd do better to listen to the retired IDF General above.

The IDF is not winning on the battlefield, have you not seen all the funerals being broadcast in the last few weeks, including a soldier who left behind 10 children.

There's a reason the Israeli government asked the Lebanese government to agree to a unilateral ceasefire.

So yep, Hamas will have to unconditionally surrender and release their hostages to stop the war they started during a ceasefire.

Of course, nobody would expect Israel to lay down their arms since Hamas launched a war against them during a ceasefire, raped and murdered their children and took hostages.

So, I am genuinely looking forward to Hamas unconditional surrender and release of hostages, so the war Hamas started can end.

So, I am genuinely looking forward to Hamas unconditional surrender and release of hostages, so the war Hamas started can end.
Delighted you're looking forward to that day, but you don't seem to have the first notion on how it will be achieved.

Don't be daft. It will be achieved when the people who started the war during a ceasefire - Hamas - surrender unconditionally and release the hostages.

It will be achieved when the people who started the war during a ceasefire - Hamas - surrender unconditionally and release the hostages.
But how will the IDF get them to do that? That's the important piece you're missing

At the start of this conflict I did think this but ( as I have posted on another thread) ..
Its now very very clear that Hamas do not represent Palestinians’ interests nor do they care about Palestinians and therefore the continual assault on Palestinian civilians is irrelevant to them - except in the sense that it presents Israel in a terrible light in international opinion which obviously works well for Hamas ( and Iran) because they view Palestinians as “collateral damage “
Therefore I cannot see how continuing to bomb Palestinians ( apart from being a moral outrage) is helpful to Israel’s security .
The people holding the hostages do not care about the suffering of Gazans And Israeli bombing is just used by them to turn world opinion against Israel.

I never offered an opinion on Hamas or what they did so your first comment there is pure fiction.

Or more likely, projection on your part.

Thank you.

What ceasefire? The same ceasefire that Israel broke to kill Palestinians? Or was that a different ceasefire?

@dontbedaft2000
"Since Hamas started the war during a ceasefire"

This is one of the 3 myths.

1. Hamas broke a cease fire ........ They didn't as there wasn't a ceasefire in place. 2 weeks earlier there had been 3 consecutive days of air strikes on Gaza and in early October dozens of stone throwing Gazans had been shot in the legs.

2. There is an existential threat to Israel from Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran.... There isn't, as they do not have the military capability to invade and maintain occupation of Israel.

3. The Palestinians have rejected every offer of territory. ....... They haven't. Breakdown in numerous peace talks were far more nuanced than that and both sides take responsibility.

Yet still these ideas are doing the rounds.

Israel will "keep winning". What evidence is there that they are winning?

        Israel has stated two aims in this conflict with Hamas, to free the hostages and to eradicate Hamas as fighting force. Over a year of conflict and they've achieved neither. 
         Gaza is a dot on the map and they've been unable to gain control. 
         In Southern Lebanon the aim was to create a buffer zone of at least 20 km in order to allow Israelis in the north to return home. Everytime they cross the border they get clobbered. There are three small Settlements within a few kilometres of the border they've attempted to take them on multiple occasions and have been beaten back every time suffering horrendous losses on the process. 
            Israel can't continue on this path and survive. Times have changed they're not an almighty military force anymore. They either learn to live with their neighbours or perish.

Not exactly the thread subject but to do with the people of Gaza as affected by Hamas, this is very interesting:

Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa criticising 7 October attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4vw1l8xvdo

It begins,

The most prominent Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a rare, powerful fatwa condemning Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the devastating war in the Palestinian territory…..

Took him long enough!

Good - shame it didn’t happen earlier.
I don’t think it would have softened the Israeli response but who knows? it might have reminded some in government that Hamas and the Palestinians are not synonymous

I'll say!