How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

"You don't hear Irish people going on about how Israel didn't help them in the troubles."

The Troubles is a euphemism for the IRA's terrorist campaign against Britain and the consequent tit-for-tat terrorism by Unionists against Republicans in Northern Ireland.

You're now saying that the 'Irish people' were actively involved and needing help from third party countries such as Israel.

I think it's an open secret that (elements within) the Republic of Ireland were providing covert support to the IRA, but it certainly isn't something that's ever been admitted by the Irish government.

"You don't hear Irish people going on about how Israel didn't help them in the troubles."

It's true that Israel did not lend any help during the Troubles. However Libya under Gadaffi and the PLO under Arafat certainly did.

Your definition of the troubles is irrelevant to this thread... and very very wrong. Not to mention british collusion with unionists in the state sponsored bombings of Irish republic... anyway i digress. To see how you tell these lies so confidently is startling. Irish people were certainly involved in a conflict in their own country and absolutely would have appreciated some help. To suggest that that is an admission of wrongdoing is just mind boggling. However I will not digress further on this matter because Ireland has nothing to do with the current situation, other than rightly condemning it.

You are deflecting from the terrorist attack in Lebanon pure and simple... and it's blatant.

I know, right? I love that Ireland have been so vocal in this. Definitely on the right side of history this time. To see it being deflected back on Ireland, as though somehow Ireland was to blame for its own colonisation and genocide is shocking. The lengths some people will go to in order to defend Israel at all costs... even when kids have been murdered... I dont understand this mentality... how can anyone say the pager bombings is anything other than a terrorist attack?

putting explosives in commercially available devices that could have been sold on to civilians

How likely is it a terrorist will sell their device on to a civilian?

The shipment was to one group only not civilians

The Troubles is a euphemism for the IRA's terrorist campaign against Britain and the consequent tit-for-tat terrorism by Unionists against Republicans in Northern Ireland

That's a wild definition of The Troubles

Exactly. They need the bloody pagers to co-ordinate their activity. They moved to pagers to avoid detection by the Israelis. Israeli secret service are not monitoring their social diaries. Do people not understand what terrorists do?

They weren't commercially available though, they have a tight grip on supply chains which is why it's so wild this happened. They don't just pop to the shops to buy their comms devices.

They'll be one of the most closely guarded items they have

Pity they never thought to do anything like that to Hamas. Or maybe Hamas just weren’t silly enough to buy their gear from Israel.

Of course they will be.

It's certainly impressive. Just imagine how many lives have been saved by this act of incredible intelligence and coordination.

Do you think hezbollah is going to stop after it ?

It's true that Israel did not lend any help during the Troubles. However Libya under Gadaffi and the PLO under Arafat certainly did.
To the IRA a terrorist organisation not Ireland. Ireland is not the IRA but you know that, your anti Irish bashing has been noted. Your hate for Ireland is pretty appalling tbh, for such a small nation we have certainly got under your skin. Your posts about Ireland say a lot about you and it is pretty unpleasant.

The double standards from you beggars belief.

Why? Because I am defending against some of the misinformed hateful posts about Ireland? (on a thread that is meant to be discussing the pager explosions in Lebanon) You will need to point about my double standards

No, sorry that's not what I meant. This might slow Hezbollah down for a moment, but I've no doubt that they will regroup and continue to kill as many people as possible. Because they are rage and hate filled terrorists, and that's just what they do. I doubt anything could change that, even this demonstration of superior intelligence, making them look stupid.

I was referring to them being tracked for a the last few months, and that it would have thwarted some of their activities.

@Beljin

My point was quite clear, you stated that Isrsel had been bombed for 11 months and only now when they retaliate they are suddenly the bad guys.

Your comment was rubbish because Israel started retaliating 11 months ago minutes after the first Hezbollah rocket was fired and has been responding with quadruple the force. All this time there has not been any criticism of Israel’s retaliations, so it is not true that international law experts, the UN, and multiple countries are objecting to the exploding devices attacks merely because Israel is retaliating.

Israel and Lebanon are not at war. Hezbollah & Lebanon are not one and the same much like Hamas and Palestinians are not one and the same.

Genocide is defined in Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, so your opinion on what you think is genocide completely meaningless. Your flippant usage of ‘genocide’ to refer to low scale border cross fire is hugely offensive to the victims of actual genocides.

Also, it is against international law of armed conflict to “annihilate them (any enemy) to a combatant - or even potential combatant”. So what you are saying Israel should do is commit yet more war crimes. That is an inhumane opinion to hold and one that isn’t for the benefit of Israel in the long run as rogue states don’t usually survive.

It is, presumably, Irish posters that have conflated the IRA with comments such as this:

"You don't hear Irish people going on about how Israel didn't help them in the troubles."

Please explain why the Irish people would have needed help from a 3rd party country during the troubles. It is nonsensical to claim that an independent nation, that wasn't involved in the 'armed struggle' (terrorism) being perpetrated by the IRA, would need assistance.

If people don't want to be called out for the things that they post, perhaps they shouldn't post them? If Irish people don't appreciate being associated with IRA terrorism, perhaps they shouldn't conflate the 'Irish people' with the IRA's terrorist campaign - and should correct those (presumably Irish) people that do make those connections?

Sigh, that is not what commercially available means. It means that pagers as an item are available to be bought commercially by both civilians and governments. Which they are. Pagers are not restricted military items that are prohibited to be sold commercially.

Hezbollah let a commercial contract for pagers and somewhere along the commercial supply chains, shipments were tampered with to turn them into booby traps.

There are laws against booby trapping commercial items in war.

Who is killing as many people as possible in the middle east? Should we compare figures?

Pretty likely actually. That is why initial reports have indicated 2/3rds of the victims were civilians including health care workers and children.

Mate, you don't even know what The Troubles were so the possibility of you being able to correctly 'call out' anyone is zero.