How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

Northern nationalists and Palestinians have decade old ties and connections. It's relevant to Ireland's position on Palestine. I'm repeatly saying this because the message doesn't seem to be getting through and I won't stand for people saying it's because we're anti-semites, though that is the go-to response of some posters to criticism of Israel, including yourself with reference to me on this thread I believe.

I used the word occupation because that's the word that had been used by the previous poster I was responding to who was saying that the issue is 100 years old. It's not 100 years old in that the north is still officially part of the UK. That wasn't resolved 100 years ago.

Well yes of course it is. You had a go with the echo chamber comment not the content

Who knows you could have learnt something from @1dayatatime post, it was insightful after all.

Are you like this in real life? If someone says 'indeed' do you say 'echo chamber'?

The communities have solidarity for one another. I don't know anything about illegal activities so can't comment on that. I'm saying that it's not antisemitism, the communities have long had links because they consider themselves have a shared struggle for freedom.

You literally said: "the occupation of Ireland is not going back 100 years by the way. It's current."

It is commonly known but I heard it straight from the proverbial horse's mouth, having spoken to a proud member of the IRA earlier this year, who happily told me how the PLO had trained them.

I find the talk of 'occupied territories' interesting to say the least. The land was won in battle after Israel was attacked by the Arab nations. It's held as a security buffer. Looks like Israel needs that buffer given the sheer amount of rockets launched at it every day. Over 20,000 rockets have hit Israel from its neighbours in the last 20 or so years (so, on average, 1000 per annum) and that doesn't account for those that don't hit the country due to the Iron Dome. Imagine being under that barrage of rockets and other countries asking you to do nothing about it, cede land, continue to offer aid (which you do), etc.? No one in the West would do anything like that.

The children of the blinded fathers will feel they must take on what they perceive as their fathers’ duties in every way. They’ll be catapulted into even more grown up roles.

Israel’s act was very clever technically, and no doubt put Hezbollah into temporary shock and great disarray, but seems far from likely to induce peace in the region given how Hezbollah people will most likely want revenge for years.

There is no disputing the fact that they are illegally occupied, that is why the UNGA have ordered them to leave. Why would you defend a country in breaking international law? Israel are illegal occupiers and they enact apartheid on the people that they illegally occupy. What is wrong with you?

It is an 'interesting' mindset. Do the Jewish diaspora wish vengeance on the populations of countries that murdered and displaced them in millions.

You are right.

All they could do is use their inaccurate AI, to identify anyone who potentially had a vague link with Hamas, and drop their inaccurate bombs on anyone who happened to be in the vicinity. So if we are using the death of thousands of children as a yard stick then this is much better.

Nothing is wrong with me, thanks for asking.

The UN is a very biased organisation so we should all, unfortunately, take its proclamations carefully. I would very much prefer that to not be the case but it's true. Check out UN Watch for more info about this.

It is common for countries to annexe land taken in war. It is also common for land to be ceded for peace just like Israel did with the Sinai peninsula. Gaza and the West Bank are huge security risks for Israel because even if the land is ceded, its terrorist leaders have sworn that their aim is/will be to continue to destroy Israel. And Egypt 'rewarded' Israel with turning a blind eye to the construction of hundreds of tunnels being built on its land to Gaza and the smuggling of goods to further Gazan terrorist leader's aims. That is what's wrong with the situation.

Whats with the constant laughing emojis that pepper each and every one of your posts? do You believe any of this conflict is a laughing matter? People are dying on all sides yet your response is to snigger?

I was wondering too.

Well I suppose they could strap on a suicide vest, hug a hamas and take them both to paradise.
Not being a military strategist or living under constant threat I can only observe in sadness & horror from the comfort of 'the west'.

Agree. Childish and off-putting (apologies for the echo chamber).

Oh god, what am I doing wrong now? Are emojis banned? 😂 I was laughing at the incorrect use of 'echo chamber'. No, I don't find terrorism and dead children funny. What the actual...? But I can laugh at other stuff. Please take your personal attacks elsewhere. It's tiresome!

And the ICJ? They are biased too yeah? Not you though, spending your day defending apartheid and illegal occupation and pretending like that's a perfectly normal pastime.

This was a terrorist act, plain and simple. Many civilian casualties and another example of Israel behaving as they wish with no consequence.

As opposed to hamas, hezbollah and the houthis (brought to you by the letter h), who are misunderstood humanitarians???

But you're not are you, only "laughing" at the echo chamber post? Every time a poster has a differing opinion or dares to express a view which doesn't fit your narrative, in you go with a little chuckle. I don't find discussion of anti semitism, deaths of civilians or long bloodied wars wherever they take place, remotely funny. It's insulting and derogatory to all involved. But you already know this, and that's why you continue to do it. It's being deliberately goady and I think you'll find MNHQ DO have rules around this.

@BeretInParis
Thing is that Israel hasn't annexed the west bank. If it had and there was Israeli civilian rule like Golan Heights and East Jerusalem it might be contentious but at least it wouldn't be military rule.
You've got a slightly insane situation in the WB whereby israeli settlers have full israeli civil law and Palestinians have harsher military rule. The israelis can only be arrested by the (Ben Gvir controlled) police and Palestinians by the army. However if the WB were annexed, all the residents would have full israeli civil rights, including the right to citizenship like E Jerusalem and golan heights so the "temporary" military rule has lasted now nearly 60 years

The UNGA rulings are 'advisory' and are not 'international law'.

Israel is not breaking international law by ignoring UNGA rulings.

Their occupation is not illegal under international law because it was territory that was occupied during a defensive war - similar to the allied occupation of Germany and Japan after the Second World War.

Why do you spread these lies? What is wrong with you?