How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

Totallymessed
Short-sighted as it was, as head of a neutral country, De Valera didn’t want to come across as partisan (he’d recently been to the US, offering condolences for Roosevelt’s death). His close advisers asked him not to send those condolences for very obvious reasons. But it’s that very neutrality you speak of that encouraged those condolences. It was considered protocol by De Valera to express neutrality across the board.
I’m not here to argue his case. Just offering you an explanation.

Thanks for link. It really is a lot to hear about re the scale and method of attack

To anyone interested I recommend BBC world service as they seem to be covering in more depth with people from the region speaking

Yeah de Valera did a Boris Johnson type foot in mouth faux pas. He was roundly criticised for it, and apologised.

That's not such a stretch while everything is in disarray

As I said, no other leader of a neutral country did it, it was a totally unnecessary choice on his part. He was absolutely aware of the genocide that the Nazis were still committing - let's not forget that this happened months before Germany surrendered, and thousands were being murdered in the gas chambers every day.

That is massively underplaying what he did, it's really not a good look.

We know we have accepted that can we move on and stop derailing. Not one poster has suggested his decision was right. Your focus on Ireland is frankly disproportionate.

And you are massively overplaying Irelands influence and role in this. Maybe let's focus on the politicians of today

I don’t agree. All he did was sign a condolences book on a visit to the German embassy because it was shoved under his nose to be polite.

He did not independently write or send condolences in any format- note, letter, announcement, phone call, etc.

He wasn’t even at the German embassy to express condolences but for a seperate meeting.

Boris did a lot of faux pas as foreign secretary, even causing an innocent British/Iranian mother to rot in an Iranian jail for six years.

@Auvergne63

"Ireland was neutral during WW1 and WW2, which would explain being peacefully and prosperous.
Honestly, the ignorance is staggering"

Exactly that does explain why it was relatively peaceful and prosperous.

My post was in response to @TheOliveGoose who stated that the reason Ireland took in zero Jewish refugees during the 1940s was that the country was in such a poor state. My point was that compared to other countries in Europe who were in WW2, Ireland was relatively peaceful and prosperous so that can't be the reason why they failed to take in Jewish refugees.

Lastly I am well aware that Ireland was neutral in WW2, but not WW1 as it didn't gain independence from Great Britain until 1921 (after WW1).

Honestly the lack of historical knowledge is staggering 😀

Ireland didn't exist during the First World War. It was part of Britain. Irish soldiers were conscripted into the British army, just the same as English, Welsh and Scots. The Easter uprising occurred during the First World War.

You're ignorance of history is astounding.

Where are these reports?

It was 8 days between Hitler's suicide and the German surrender.

You’re preaching to the choir. You don’t need to educate me. My father was a Quran reading German Jew who survived the death camps. He was in two camps across 4 years.
And I specifically mention the Quran because he was given one by his own father (who died) who valued and read all of the Good Books at a time when that wasn’t often done.
I’m very proud that I am of people who suffered immensely for who and what they were perceived to be by a regime, but lived in the truth that, in fact, they were not anything else but human, just like the Palestinian people you likely tar as ‘All Hamas’.
Ireland is not De Valera. But De Valera is Ireland’s history. If you want to slowly twist your hateful narrative of the Irish into a nation of Jew haters who hold some semblance of responsibility for the genocide, well, no one can stop you.
But I ask two questions of you because I’m curious to know what language you will use.
Who is responsible for the genocide in Gaza? Does the massacre of an entire people happening in real time get you as hot underneath the collar as De Valera… and the Irish?

@Dulra

"And you are massively overplaying Irelands influence and role in this. Maybe let's focus on the politicians of today"

I totally agree, let's focus on the politicians of today.

Like Reada Cronin, a Sinn Fein TD who tweeted in 2019 that the Jews were responsible for European wars, that Adolf Hitler was a pawn of the Rothschilds and that Mossad was influencing British elections.

Or maybe Chris Andrews another Sinn Fein TD ( but previously Fianna Fáil) who tweeted that Hitler "may have not been too far wrong "

Or maybe even Mick Wallace an MEP who shared twitter posts suggesting that the Jews controlled the media and Israel was responsible for 9/11.

I think the fact that Ireland recognises Palestine as a sovereign state has ruffled a few feathers.

Antisemitism always ran very deep in the Catholic church and the Irish were very staunch Catholics.

I'm certainly not surprised to see abhorrent views, that align with the Catholic church's historical position, expressed by members of Sinn Fein.

Do you really want to play the quoting politicians game. The majority of politicians you quote there have never been in government only the opposition benches so don't hold any real power. Unlike the genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli government ministers

@Dulra

"Do you really want to play the quoting politicians game"

Not at all and I'm in total agreement with you, that rather than look at the historic actions of De Valera that it is far better to focus on the politicians of today

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-18/ty-article/.premium/flamboyant-cyber-operations-like-the-lebanon-pagers-attack-are-no-substitute-for-strategy/00000192-0447-d543-ab9f-2c77b98c0000?gift=12b22d7ccc2148819589a242ed709ba5

Thank you for correcting my mistake.
"Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum.
Before pointing the finger at me, regarding Irish history, make sure you understand when to use "your" and " you're", correctly.
As my Italian grandmother used to say. "never point out the mistakes of another with a dirty finger".

Very much so.

We're moving into [pot-calling-kettle-] black comedy now arent we?

And those are the very ministers arming and giving policing powers to thousands of violent Israeli settlers in order to push their brutal brand of supremacy and destroy the Palestinian population.

Probably Al Mayadeen or Press TV. Maybe The Electronic Intifada have released a statement.