How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

@Dulra she's demonstrating her use of CTRL f, nothing more.

What does that refer to?

You're ignorance is staggering.

Life in Ireland during the 1940s was positively prosperous and peaceful
Possibly for the first time in a hundred years, it was still a country divided, recovering from a war of independence, a civil war and an occupation and oh a famine that saw a million dead, and a million emigrate. Population dropped from 7million to 3 million in less than 100 hundred years. You obviously hate Ireland and Irish people fine but don't be so dismissive of their suffering. Not sure why you think that is ok.

I am not an expert on international law so idea what it says about this kind of situation but you can't expect one side to abide by international law and the other side to completly ignore it.

The Martens clause does say that even if you are fighting someone who breaks or rejects the international laws of armed conflict, you are still expected to follow international laws of armed conflict. So that is the expectation as far as the ICC and ICJ look at it.

I suppose that depends on which pocket their pagers were I.

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There was nothing in Ireland at the time for the Irish let alone the Jews. Read your history before you start racially attacking an entire group of people on here. SMH.

By blanket ceasefire I mean that everyone currently engaged in armed conflict needs to agree to a ceasefire. Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, IDF, Houthis & I think there are other Palestinian groups in the West Bank too?

A ceasefire is no use if just Hamas and IDF stop, but IDF still has to fight Hezbollah and the rest. It will collapse.

It's not my opinion that Hezbollah is freely operating in Lebanon, it's a fact.
Hezbollah in not the official government of Lebanon. Fact.
Therefore, Israel is not at war with Lebanon.
It's not my opinion that Hezbollah is firing missiles and drones into Israel on a daily basis.
Never said it was.
The Lebanese state does nothing to stop it.
I can't comment because I don't have all the facts in order to express an informed opinion on this.
I am not an expert on international law.
This does not stop you reading and learning about them.
you can't expect one side to abide by international law and the other side to completly ignore it.
When one side has signed to uphold them, they are legally bound to do so.
See my point above.
No country would sacrficie its citizens to international law.
Your opinion again.

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Agreed that all need to stop but any ceasefire that holds would be quite a lot of use to the civilians in each area. Each deal will be different.

Wow.

Yes. Any de-escalation would be welcome.

Would the pagers have detonated on planes if anyone was flying?

Ireland was neutral during WW1 and WW2, which would explain being peacefully and prosperous.
Honestly, the ignorance is staggering.

Indeed and also now has hundreds of soldiers risking their lives on peacekeeping missions in the Lebanon

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It seems nothing like this has happened before, an unprecedented method of attack

It is physical plus takes down communications

Talk of what will happen next on the radio, now they are under strain

Ireland didn’t really have an armed forces capable of defending Ireland in the event of a Nazi invasion and also joining in fighting the Nazis in the Mediterranean and N Africa.

Many Irish men volunteered and fought in the British army. So the Irish people did as much as they could.

The USA was neutral for the first half of WWII until Pearl Harbour. That is a lot less understandable.

@TokyoSushi I can't see this anywhere

Solar energy systems in Beirut homes mentioned here:

news.sky.com/story/amp/beirut-blasts-more-communication-devices-explode-in-lebanon-day-after-hezbollah-members-killed-13217277

Possibly an explanation for Irish neutrality during WW2, if you want to be charitable, I guess. What's your justification for de Valera being the only leader of a neutral country to send condolences after Hitler's death? At that point, the Holocaust was open knowledge and de Valera certainly knew about it.

Quite possibly, if they received a signal to detonate.

Pretty sure he was asked to sign in a visitor book at the German Embassy in Ireland that then turned out to be a book of condolences for Hitler. He did say he in no way supported Hitler or his regime and was at the German embassy to see the German envoy to discuss next steps post German defeat and surrender, and was being courteous while there.

He did not write a condolences card, letter or note and then send it.

Because devastating pelvic injuries are clearly something to laugh at.

There are reports of ordinary people with significant injuries, dead children, people left with life-changing injuries, and a country left in a state of terror.

This isn't funny. Some of us have loved ones in the region, at risk from increasingly aggressive escalations. This attack does nothing to progress towards peace.

Pagers operate off cellular signals so it could up to a certain altitude. High frequency signals would have less range than low frequency signals.

De Valera got it very wrong it is not something I would try and justify, my only rational is he was hedging his bets waiting to see what horse to back. He got it wrong and Ireland has apologised for that a long time ago. Things were complex don't forget that Europe did not do much for Ireland during their occupation from Britain, and their famine when millions were starving to death, we were very much a forgotten outlier so probably didn't feel we owed anyone anything. The nation has natured and grown since then.

FWIW Ireland is still a neutral country our army is pretty much only engaged in peace keeping missions.