This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

I've seen that woman before. She is widely condemned by many including me. There are extreme views on both sides.

She doesn't belong to a terrorist organisation? Pretending she does isn't correct though.

This is not about one woman.

Look if you're not prepared to watch it, but yet respond anyway, what is the point.

It's very difficult to accept and believe something is widely condemned when it is allowed happen without consequences and actually openly supported by government ministers and the IDF

Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers | Israel | The Guardian

The head of Israel’s security agency, Shin Bet, has warned the country’s leaders that Jewish terrorism in the West Bank is out of control and has become a serious threat to national security.

Ronen Bar issued the warning in a letter to the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the attorney general and members of the Israeli cabinet, some of whom are outspoken backers of the extremist settlers responsible for the escalating violence...

Bar said their actions should not be described as criminality but as terrorism.

“It isn’t crime because it’s the use of violence to create intimidation, to spread fear. That is terror,” he wrote, describing how the campaign had “significantly expanded” in the absence of an adequate police response and with the connivance of some national leaders. The militants had gone from using “cigarette lighters to the weapons of war”, the security chief said, adding that some of those weapons had been provided by the state.
The terror campaign, the letter said, was “a large stain on Judaism and on all of us”.

The head of Shin Bet says they're terrorists.

@YoYoYoYo12345

I am actually surprised that such a regular poster as yourself claims to have no knowledge of this.

That's not goading, honestly. It's perhaps a good example of we only see what we want to see - the horror of "them", but not of "us".

We are on a UK website. The settlers and the huge group of other people listed, lawyers, advisors etc are not part of a terrorist organisation even if their individual actions are illegal or wrong. It doesn't work like that.

I'll leave it since it appears mn users can now label random individuals as terrorists as they please. I tend to follow international guidelines on terrorism though.

There is do much hatred towards Israeli on these threads and using do.e extreme individuals to categorise a larger number of people is wrong. But I've seen these threads and how they work, do much hate. It will help no one in the long term or for the bigger picture

I don't condone illegal activities or actions by anyone on either side though

You are goading. I'll not reply, there's no race to the bottom here. I won't engage in your pursuit or rudeness. I've never claimed to have no knowledge as you have made up! I've not seen that particular link, that's all.

Goodness what's the point engaging.

Total rubbish and you know it. I condemn the actions of people from 'both sides'.

I don't believe middle east eye or anything else funded by Qatar. Hth

They are terrorists. The definition is clear

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political gains

They are not (yet) a proscribed terrorist organision. I think you are confusing the two. You don't need to be part of a proscribed terrorist organision to be labelled a terrorist or engage in terrorist activity.

I'm not sure what list you're referring to?

If you're so upset by violent militant settlers being labelled as terrorists because they commit terrorist acts maybe you're right and this isn't the board for you.

No one is saying that this is all Israelis, it's militant violent settlers, so I'm not sure why you're suggesting otherwise, but you might want to correct that.

Are you saying you don't believe Israel is sending unidentified, decomposing bodies of dead Palestinians to Gaza?

Plenty of sources for the information. Reuters link below

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sends-scores-bodies-gaza-palestinians-demand-details-before-burying-them-2024-09-25/

@YoYoYoYo12345

Sorry I can't quote a quote as I'm on the app.

I accept what you don't condone these actions.

I was just surprised when you came back with the "one woman" statement.

It is a whole movement and thousands of these marauding settlers, armed and protected by the IDF and the state of Israel. That we can agree on I hope.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-unidentified-bodies-war-gaza-palestinians-answers-rcna172645

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-unidentified-bodies-mass-burial-1.7333325

I call violent extremists who sue terror terrorists no matter who. I mean, who murdered Rabin? Why does the Shin Bet have a Jewish section.
They are a tiny minority, even of settlers (who are mostly law abiding citizens) but they have been treated with kid gloves by current govt.

I'm not an israel hater obviously, but I have no problem calling things out when they are simply wrong. It's a massive issue and only getting worse which is extremely worrying.

Oh yes, and this isn't the first time it's happened...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trucks-bringing-bodies-detainees-into-gaza-hold-up-aid-says-unrwa-2024-04-30/

Reads quite different doesn't it?
They want israel to provide more details. The fact that israel provides details is already more than what the Palestinians do for israelis killed and held hostage.

In some cases israel has dug up graves to identify bodies of hostages and then returned the bodies.
It's a bit gruesome but given the importance of retrieving bodies, you can understand why.

I mean, if we're talking about using bodies of dead people, where are the bodies of Hadar Goldin and Shaul Oron? Why were bodies of murdered Israelis like Shani Louk taken back to Gaza to be spat on and beaten in the street?

Dehumanisation indeed.

No I'm saying I don't believe any sources funded by Qatar. And if that's your main source of info, it explains a lot.

Israel won't allow journalists into Gaza and they've killed well over 100 Gazan journalists so it's not always easy to find mainstream western sources on certain aspects of the war. I'm not speaking about this issue, but generally. It's an important feature of what's happening in Gaza.

Actually, my main sources that I tend to reference include: academic reports, media sources that rate reasonably to very well in terms of independent assessments of credibility, eyewitness accounts and lived experience.

I didn't post the initial link in this thread, so trying to use it to make digs at me isn't really going to work.

I do really think it says a lot when this is the kind of response people have when another person is saying that, not only is it horrible that there are trucks delivering unidentified bodies, but it's entirely possible people that the person knows and cares about might be on such a truck. A truly heartwarming display of empathy and consideration for innocent people.

While digging up graves, they dug up otherwise undisturbed burial sites, removed and desecrated the bodies of Palestinians, and dumped the 'remains' with less consideration than people in the UK would give a dog.

I was the one that posted the link from the Middle East and to be honest I don’t care about the dig. They can criticise as much as they want the sources that won’t change the reality of the war crimes that Israel and some of the Israeli citizens are committing.