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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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EasterIssland · 11/07/2024 06:48

opinion from haaretz
Israel Is Hiding Its Draconian Detention of Palestinians From the Public
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-06-13/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israels-cruel-detention-of-palestinians-is-being-hidden-from-the-public/00000190-1285-d1a8-abbe-93ede6a20000

AhNowTed · 11/07/2024 09:56

Beautiful baby injured by Israeli bomb.

x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1811241795017138461?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

AhNowTed · 11/07/2024 09:57

Poor little thing traumatised and shaking.

anotherlevel · 11/07/2024 11:28

@AhNowTed Poor baby. It's heartbreaking to see them suffering like this. How heavy do our hearts weigh when we see these.

TakeMe2Insanity · 11/07/2024 12:00

Oystercavity · 10/07/2024 23:21

Part 4 before part 3 is full?

Seriously?

Scirocco · 11/07/2024 16:38

Oystercavity · 10/07/2024 23:21

Part 4 before part 3 is full?

If that's more comment-worthy than the horrors inflicted upon innocent children which are being recorded here, well...

Auvergne63 · 11/07/2024 16:47

Scirocco · 11/07/2024 16:38

If that's more comment-worthy than the horrors inflicted upon innocent children which are being recorded here, well...

It is very telling.

EasterIssland · 11/07/2024 16:56

Auvergne63 · 11/07/2024 16:27

It looks like the Israeli government wanted to interfere in the democratic process in France.
'Unacceptable': Macron Accuses Israeli Minister of Interfering in French Election in Call With Netanyahu - Europe - Haaretz.com

theyre as well trying to interfere with the Spanish elections. Not long time ago he received the president of the far right party (I believe it’s the 3rd or 4th most popular in Spain ) and also they keep posting against Spanish president.

Dulra · 11/07/2024 22:24

EasterIssland · 11/07/2024 16:56

theyre as well trying to interfere with the Spanish elections. Not long time ago he received the president of the far right party (I believe it’s the 3rd or 4th most popular in Spain ) and also they keep posting against Spanish president.

Getting more and more like Russia and China and let's be honest the US

Dulra · 12/07/2024 07:50

RTE news : 60 bodies found after Israeli operation in Gaza city

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0712/1459482-gaza-israel-wa

I feel there'll be a lot more of finding bodies under rubble.

The article also said that the Washington post had reported yesterday that Hamas and Israel has signalled their acceptance of an interim governance plan where neither would rule the territory and security would be provided by a US trained force of Palestinian Authority supporters. That sounds like a positive way forward.

60 bodies found after Israeli operation in Gaza city

Around 60 bodies were found under the rubble of a Gaza city neighbourhood, officials in the Hamas-run territory have said, after Israel's military declared an end to its operation there.

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0712/1459482-gaza-israel-wa

Auvergne63 · 12/07/2024 08:32

EasterIssland · 11/07/2024 16:56

theyre as well trying to interfere with the Spanish elections. Not long time ago he received the president of the far right party (I believe it’s the 3rd or 4th most popular in Spain ) and also they keep posting against Spanish president.

To think, the Israeli government is prepared to align themselves with far right parties...

SummerFeverVenice · 12/07/2024 08:46

More and more has been coming out about the deaths of Israeli civilians due to IDF ‘friendly fire’ that may marginally reduce the death toll attributable to Hamas terrorist atrocities.

It is important to note that many of these suspected deaths by IDF friendly fire were grave mistakes made in a highly chaotic situation. It is also important to note that even the highest estimates mean that only a small fraction of the 1,300 might not be attributable to a Hamas fighter.

But it is important to have accuracy and investigate these grave mistakes so that lessons learned can result in improved responses to terror attacks so there is then less danger to civilians from their own government’s military in future- both in Israel and other countries.

Apparently over 70 of the burned out cars were hit by IDF attack helicopters firing indiscriminately- not knowing if they were civilians fleeing or full of Hamas fighters with/without hostages being used as human sheilds. The only specific known was a case where 13 hostages, including children, were killed when the house they were being held captive in kibbutz Be’eri was repeatedly shelled by an IDF tank (1% of Oct 7th deaths)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-hannibal-haaretz-b2575744.html

https://aje.io/8sozsl?update=3042362

Israel risked lives of hostages by invoking Hannibal Directive on 7 October

Protocol is aimed at stopping the kidnapping of soldiers by any means necessary

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-hannibal-haaretz-b2575744.html

Finallyloggedin · 12/07/2024 22:45

https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1811481275519181280?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“My daddy’s gone to heaven…that’s the [Israeli] drone that killed him”

x.com

https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1811481275519181280?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

TakeMe2Insanity · 13/07/2024 09:11

SummerFeverVenice · 12/07/2024 08:46

More and more has been coming out about the deaths of Israeli civilians due to IDF ‘friendly fire’ that may marginally reduce the death toll attributable to Hamas terrorist atrocities.

It is important to note that many of these suspected deaths by IDF friendly fire were grave mistakes made in a highly chaotic situation. It is also important to note that even the highest estimates mean that only a small fraction of the 1,300 might not be attributable to a Hamas fighter.

But it is important to have accuracy and investigate these grave mistakes so that lessons learned can result in improved responses to terror attacks so there is then less danger to civilians from their own government’s military in future- both in Israel and other countries.

Apparently over 70 of the burned out cars were hit by IDF attack helicopters firing indiscriminately- not knowing if they were civilians fleeing or full of Hamas fighters with/without hostages being used as human sheilds. The only specific known was a case where 13 hostages, including children, were killed when the house they were being held captive in kibbutz Be’eri was repeatedly shelled by an IDF tank (1% of Oct 7th deaths)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-hannibal-haaretz-b2575744.html

https://aje.io/8sozsl?update=3042362

Sadly many people continue to deny the IDF’s involvement in a chaotic situation.

PeasfullPerson · 13/07/2024 09:50

This is upsetting, researchers believe that for every direct death caused by the response in Gaza, there will be at least another four indirect deaths.

The researchers say that in some past conflicts, there have been nine indirect deaths for every direct death.

‘Yusuf, the director of the Population Health Research Institute at McMaster University in Canada, said that early in the conflict, he considered four to one a baseline ratio for Gaza, based on data from previous conflicts: at a minimum, he expected four indirect deaths for every direct death. But now he was worried that the final total could be much higher.
In the most recent draft of their analysis, Yusuf and his colleagues found the four-to-one ratio could mean 186,000 total deaths in Gaza. These numbers represent a staggering 8% of Gaza’s 2.4 million people.’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/gaza-death-toll-indirect-casualties

Why researchers fear the Gaza death toll could reach 186,000

War doesn’t just kill people through direct violence. Malnutrition, healthcare shortages and unsanitary conditions inevitably follow

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/gaza-death-toll-indirect-casualties

PeasfullPerson · 13/07/2024 09:57

I wonder if there will also be indirect deaths in Israel, as their military budget increases, which means less money available for health care and support services, and the damage the war has done to their economy.

Dulra · 13/07/2024 09:59

PeasfullPerson · 13/07/2024 09:50

This is upsetting, researchers believe that for every direct death caused by the response in Gaza, there will be at least another four indirect deaths.

The researchers say that in some past conflicts, there have been nine indirect deaths for every direct death.

‘Yusuf, the director of the Population Health Research Institute at McMaster University in Canada, said that early in the conflict, he considered four to one a baseline ratio for Gaza, based on data from previous conflicts: at a minimum, he expected four indirect deaths for every direct death. But now he was worried that the final total could be much higher.
In the most recent draft of their analysis, Yusuf and his colleagues found the four-to-one ratio could mean 186,000 total deaths in Gaza. These numbers represent a staggering 8% of Gaza’s 2.4 million people.’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/gaza-death-toll-indirect-casualties

Is this a separate study to the analysis in the lancet? Very similar figures if it's separate

ConnieCounter · 13/07/2024 10:00

I doubt it. They have other countries paying for their military.

How many deaths have there been in Israel since the offensive in Gaza began? After the October 7th attack I mean.

Scirocco · 13/07/2024 10:06

Dulra · 13/07/2024 09:59

Is this a separate study to the analysis in the lancet? Very similar figures if it's separate

It's the same work as was published in the Lancet - Salim Yusuf is the third author of the article there.

Finallyloggedin · 13/07/2024 11:23

Oystercavity · 10/07/2024 23:21

Part 4 before part 3 is full?

If that offends your sense of right and wrong, wait until you hear this -

There is no drinking water in Northern Gaza.

https://x.com/abu_salah9/status/1811820520398086254?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

x.com

https://x.com/abu_salah9/status/1811820520398086254?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

AhNowTed · 13/07/2024 12:22

Horrific scenes this morning

A massacre occurred in Mawasi Khan Yunis this morning (13.07.2024) after F-16 jets bombarded a displacement camp filled with tents. The attack has resulted in significant casualties and devastation, leaving many families in deep mourning and despair.

x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1812083763494412718?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

Awful... poor little thing

An attempt to rescue a girl who died whilst tents of the displaced were being targeted in Mawasi Khan Yunis, south of the Gaza Strip.

x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1812081481436565862?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

anotherlevel · 13/07/2024 12:27

@AhNowTed absolutely horrific. We were just discussing this in the Rafah thread.

SummerFeverVenice · 13/07/2024 13:59

ConnieCounter · 13/07/2024 10:00

I doubt it. They have other countries paying for their military.

How many deaths have there been in Israel since the offensive in Gaza began? After the October 7th attack I mean.

I think most of Israeli civilians currently dying in Israel because of this war are due to the Hezbollah rockets?
“The cross-border violence has killed at least 497 people in Lebanon, mostly fighters but also including 95 civilians, according to an AFP tally.
On the Israeli side, at least 16 soldiers and 11 civilians have been killed, according to the authorities.” - 9 July 24
https://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/306423-israel-hezbollah-border-clashes-latest-developments

SummerFeverVenice · 13/07/2024 14:02

@AhNowTed
It’s yet another massacre. Death toll at 71 and counting.

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