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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ticktickticktickBOOM · 13/07/2024 19:31

I wonder if anyone here can help me understand. Netanyahu has just said, in the press conference, that the IDF must launch these surprise attacks, otherwise Hamas will disappear into tunnels.

But - haven't the IDF been all over Gaza now? Wouldn't they have either occupied, booby trapped, blocked or destroyed the tunnels?

What are IDF actually doing on the ground?

I literally have no idea what's going on. Where are the IDF? Why is there no footage of them within Gaza?

EasterIssland · 13/07/2024 20:01

ticktickticktickBOOM · 13/07/2024 19:31

I wonder if anyone here can help me understand. Netanyahu has just said, in the press conference, that the IDF must launch these surprise attacks, otherwise Hamas will disappear into tunnels.

But - haven't the IDF been all over Gaza now? Wouldn't they have either occupied, booby trapped, blocked or destroyed the tunnels?

What are IDF actually doing on the ground?

I literally have no idea what's going on. Where are the IDF? Why is there no footage of them within Gaza?

Every time they leave an area they happily announce they’ve removed some hamas groups
they leave behind destruction, massacre and hamas , because not long after IDF has left hamas reappears in the area.

whar are they doing in the ground? War crimes.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 13/07/2024 20:11

But you'd think they wouldn't leave an area until they had secured or destroyed the tunnels.

If they have cleared areas of Nothern Gaza - why can't they secure them and let women and children go there and start feeding and treating them?

They could have created a fair few safe havens in Northern Gaza for civilians by now. They clearly aren't bothering.

Are they just popping in and out again by tank via Erez? Why aren't Hamas combatting them at Erez if this is the case? Hamas don't appear to be doing anything to defend Gaza - so what is the point of them?

I find this conflict incredibly confusing.

AhNowTed · 15/07/2024 00:03

‘The street was a pool of blood’: Gaza witnesses one of most violent weeks since first months of war

After Israeli airstrikes on a school and a humanitarian zone, survivors and officials tell of a ‘daily vision of horror

A school, and a humanitarian zone. And that's just this weekend.

www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/14/gaza-one-of-most-violent-weeks-israeli-airstrikes-school-humanitarian-zone

“After about 20 minutes, a truck came and they carried me with it, and it was full of corpses … And I was the only living person in the truck … This is enough, we have no energy left. We are tired. We don’t want anything, just to stop the war.”

Seriously, what is the point of this anymore. Their mission has failed. They are not going to defeat Hamas entirely. This is just pointless revengeful inhumane mass-slaughter.

And as has been said, and documented on other posts, without this war, Netanyahu is finished. His far-right cabinet is finished.

It's all pointless.

Finallyloggedin · 15/07/2024 12:00

It’s absolutely hideous. I still can’t fathom how the international community hasn’t bought peacekeepers in months ago. I know in reality it’s because many of the main players in the international ‘community’ support the genocide.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2024 13:07

It is sickening and surrealistic. On the one hand we see Palestinian people with carts full of corpses or of poor people trying to flee but with no where to go, looking like they are living 2000 years ago, while the USA, UK and Israel, with some of the most advanced weapons that the 21Century can provide, slaughter them, rip apart their lives and destroy their infrastructure without either successfully destroying Hamas, or getting back the hostages.

In fact they’ve probably killed a lot of hostages.

AhNowTed · 15/07/2024 13:42

I found this terrific thread on X which I will link to, which some very useful maps.

The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Comprehensive Analysis

https://mem.ai/p/LnZtBLQtVz2gcSOfbHnN

https://twitter.com/Priyankar167304/status/1812632558808739946

A couple of extracts:

The most important area of water supply is the Northeast Aquifer Basin, which stretches into Israel proper. But Israeli settlements like Ariel (in particular) eat into this aquifer and essentially extract vast quantities of water at the expense of Palestinians.

And this is before we get to the fact they also pump large quantities of sewage into West Bank locales like Salfit. Consequently, not only do Palestinians have to face pollution from settlements; they also have far less water/capita than settlers (estimates run from 1/6 to 1/4).

The West Bank settlements also deprive Palestinians of access to the Dead Sea, which has minerals that Israel routinely extracts and that would be valuable for the Palestinian economy (see Arnon and Bamiya, 2016). Now we turn to the issue of outposts. All settlements need to be

Authorised before they can be built. But what often happens is that a few messianic settlers build an outpost somewhere deep in the West Bank, these are then legalised by Israel and added to existing settlements (E.g., 'Tekoa B' and the like). These outposts are more damaging to

Contiguity than anyone could anticipate. But the government keeps legalising them. Why? For two reasons. First, fear of messianic settlers and polarisation in Israel between the religious right and the government. But also a lot of state funds go into these very projects that are

Illegal under Israel's own laws. The Talia Sasson Report of 2005 found substantial state funding for the outposts. It was never acted upon: retroactive outpost legalisation has spread across large swathes of the West Bank. Despite the report exposing outposts for what they were

Which indicates just how pervasive the settlement enterprise has become. I won't comment on legality since I am not an international lawyer-but it has to be stressed: the occupation has made life incredibly difficult for Palestinians. This is just a survey of how it affects daily

Life and does not even begin to explore how the insane violence in some settlements like Yitzhar and Itamar and Hebron have ruined Palestinian lives, caused massive property damage etc. none of which is compensated for.

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https://mem.ai/p/LnZtBLQtVz2gcSOfbHnN

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2024 14:28

AhNowTed · 15/07/2024 13:42

I found this terrific thread on X which I will link to, which some very useful maps.

The Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Comprehensive Analysis

https://mem.ai/p/LnZtBLQtVz2gcSOfbHnN

https://twitter.com/Priyankar167304/status/1812632558808739946

A couple of extracts:

The most important area of water supply is the Northeast Aquifer Basin, which stretches into Israel proper. But Israeli settlements like Ariel (in particular) eat into this aquifer and essentially extract vast quantities of water at the expense of Palestinians.

And this is before we get to the fact they also pump large quantities of sewage into West Bank locales like Salfit. Consequently, not only do Palestinians have to face pollution from settlements; they also have far less water/capita than settlers (estimates run from 1/6 to 1/4).

The West Bank settlements also deprive Palestinians of access to the Dead Sea, which has minerals that Israel routinely extracts and that would be valuable for the Palestinian economy (see Arnon and Bamiya, 2016). Now we turn to the issue of outposts. All settlements need to be

Authorised before they can be built. But what often happens is that a few messianic settlers build an outpost somewhere deep in the West Bank, these are then legalised by Israel and added to existing settlements (E.g., 'Tekoa B' and the like). These outposts are more damaging to

Contiguity than anyone could anticipate. But the government keeps legalising them. Why? For two reasons. First, fear of messianic settlers and polarisation in Israel between the religious right and the government. But also a lot of state funds go into these very projects that are

Illegal under Israel's own laws. The Talia Sasson Report of 2005 found substantial state funding for the outposts. It was never acted upon: retroactive outpost legalisation has spread across large swathes of the West Bank. Despite the report exposing outposts for what they were

Which indicates just how pervasive the settlement enterprise has become. I won't comment on legality since I am not an international lawyer-but it has to be stressed: the occupation has made life incredibly difficult for Palestinians. This is just a survey of how it affects daily

Life and does not even begin to explore how the insane violence in some settlements like Yitzhar and Itamar and Hebron have ruined Palestinian lives, caused massive property damage etc. none of which is compensated for.

Thank you, I shall read your links through later.

Did you see that this week Al Jazeera English did an interesting report about the water?

AhNowTed · 15/07/2024 16:45

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2024 14:28

Thank you, I shall read your links through later.

Did you see that this week Al Jazeera English did an interesting report about the water?

Hi

No I haven't seen it and I can't find it.

I do see that Al Jaz have been reporting this for a long time

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/people-power/2023/7/27/weaponising-water-in-palestine#:~:text=Decades%20of%20Israeli%20occupation%20have,effect%20on%20the%20water%20supply.

But no, not the latest report.

Can you share the link?

Thanks

Weaponising water in Palestine

How occupation and the climate crisis have made Palestinians some of the most water insecure people in the world.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/people-power/2023/7/27/weaponising-water-in-palestine#:~:text=Decades%20of%20Israeli%20occupation%20have,effect%20on%20the%20water%20supply.

lionlass · 16/07/2024 09:29

Trigger warning

x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1813106038943400406?s=46

Look what they did to this poor, poor baby. I am absolutely sick. These people are an abomination.

Dulra · 16/07/2024 10:13

ConnieCounter · 15/07/2024 21:14

Heard that update from UNICEF yesterday on the radio. It really chilled me. Children are so vulnerable and to think they are out there lost without their parents in a war zone is deeply upsetting. They said every time people are displaced and have to move on there is chaos and families get separated and children get lost it is disgraceful and preventable

ConnieCounter · 16/07/2024 11:27

I can't even imagine it. It's so upsetting.

Mercurial123 · 16/07/2024 11:40

User2460177 · 09/07/2024 22:33

Al Jazeera are controlled by the Qatari state who sponsor Hamas. They are not a reliable source.

They are a reliable source. One of the few media outlets that actually care about the ongoing genocide.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/07/2024 12:51

AhNowTed · 15/07/2024 16:45

Hi

No I haven't seen it and I can't find it.

I do see that Al Jaz have been reporting this for a long time

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/people-power/2023/7/27/weaponising-water-in-palestine#:~:text=Decades%20of%20Israeli%20occupation%20have,effect%20on%20the%20water%20supply.

But no, not the latest report.

Can you share the link?

Thanks

Hello @AhNowTed

I thought I’d answered about an hour ago but now cannot find that. It was difficult to find, but this is what I watched. It was either part of the news or just after it.
Occupied West Bank water shortages: Village depends on small spring for survival

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo12_Urd7Cs

Occupied West Bank water shortages: Village depends on small spring for survival

Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are also struggling with chronic water shortages.Israel controls all water resources in the territory - and has reduce...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo12_Urd7Cs

PeasfullPerson · 16/07/2024 16:37

Mercurial123 · 16/07/2024 11:40

They are a reliable source. One of the few media outlets that actually care about the ongoing genocide.

The US supported Hamas setting up their office in Doha. From what I read this was because they thought it would be easier to negotiate with them there, rather than if they ended up in Iran. I’m not sure that it’s credible to dismiss Al Jazeera because it is a Qatari newspaper.

Mercurial123 · 16/07/2024 16:59

PeasfullPerson · 16/07/2024 16:37

The US supported Hamas setting up their office in Doha. From what I read this was because they thought it would be easier to negotiate with them there, rather than if they ended up in Iran. I’m not sure that it’s credible to dismiss Al Jazeera because it is a Qatari newspaper.

I'm not dismissing Al Jazeera.

Scirocco · 16/07/2024 18:42

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

That poor young man, and his poor family.

May they be reunited in Jannat al-Firdaus.

Auvergne63 · 16/07/2024 19:00

EasterIssland · 16/07/2024 18:28

When will this end?

Dulra · 16/07/2024 19:14

EasterIssland · 16/07/2024 18:28

Cruel and inhumane, treating the most vulnerable citizens that pose absolutely no threat to them in this way. Nothing but bullies and murderers.

ConnieCounter · 16/07/2024 19:31

EasterIssland · 16/07/2024 18:28

God they're bastards. This reminds me of when they left premature babies to die alone. Leaving a gravely injured and vulnerable person who can't take care of himself all alone to die. It's terrible. They have no humanity or common decency.