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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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poshsnobtwit · 22/07/2024 19:46

@SpicyKitty you do realize that not all Jewish people are white?

BelleHathor · 22/07/2024 19:54

poshsnobtwit · 22/07/2024 19:46

@SpicyKitty you do realize that not all Jewish people are white?

Imagine the pushback and accusations that would have been levelled if anyone else had said that
Interesting.

Mellowdramadrama · 22/07/2024 19:58

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Where does one even start here
This post makes me think it's pointless to even bother

Mellowdramadrama · 22/07/2024 20:12

If you are not even aware that extremist violent settlers who terrorise Palestinians do sometimes wear masks, then there's not much you must be aware of in regards to settler violence.
Although, at times there isn't always a need for them to conceal their identity, as it is not the norm for them to face any consequences for their actions.

AhNowTed · 22/07/2024 21:20

The story about the Downs Syndrome man was covered in Haaretz today.

I have a subscription.

The poster making wild theories is of course talking nonsense.

Here is the article in full.

Israeli Army Left Palestinian With Down Syndrome to Die After Dog Attack in Gaza Home
Mohammed Bhar, 24, died at his family's apartment in Gaza City after being bitten by an IDF combat dog during an Israeli army raid in early July. Ordered to evacuate the building at the time, his family found him dead a week later
Mohammed Bhar, a resident of the Shujaiyeh neighborhood in eastern Gaza City, was attacked by an Israel Defense Forces combat dog in his home in the beginning of July, and according to his family was left to die by Israeli soldiers.
A spokesperson for the IDF, replying to Haaretz's questions on the incident, confirmed it occurred, saying it was during a "significant exchanges of fire between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists," and adding that "the troops that gave initial medical treatment to the individual who was bitten in the apartment had to leave to ensure treatment was given to injured soldiers."
Bhar, 24, was an autistic man who also had Down syndrome. His family told the BBC and other news outlets last week that their home was stormed by soldiers on July 3, after a week of heavy fighting in the area, and that the soldiers aimed their rifles and weapons at them. Amid the chaos, Bhar thought the dog was playing with him. He patted the animal's head and said, "Leave me alone, habibi," even as the dog tore at his hand and continued to attack him.

Nabila Ahmed Bhar, Mohammed's mother, told the BBC and Andalou News Agency that as her son's arm was bleeding heavily, some of the soldiers took him to another room, seemingly to assess his wounds and treat him. The family was forcibly evicted from the home a few hours later, with Mohammed still in the next room. When they were finally able to return to their home a week later, they found him in the room, dead, with wounds that had barely been treated.

Members of the Bhar family have told the media they were trapped in their home during the IDF's operation in Shujaiyeh. In her conversation with the BBC, Nabila Bhar said her son had difficulty moving, and "didn't know how to do anything by himself." His mother and brothers, as well as nephews and nieces, took care of him.

Human rights organizations have reported since the beginning of the Gaza war that people with disabilities and their families find it harder to get to, and stay in, the IDF designated "safe zones," and they sometimes opt to stay at home under immense risk. In general, their ability to flee is extremely limited. According to a Human Rights Watch report from November, people with disabilities interviewed by the organization said they "lost assistive devices when Israeli strikes destroyed or damaged their homes, leaving them homeless and unable to get necessities."
Already before the current war, about 21 percent of Gazan households had at least one member with a disability.
'Suddenly, Mohammed fell silent'
Recounting the attack, Mohammed's mother said her son was terrified, and that she "pleaded with the army to call off the dog, telling them Mohammed was ill." She then told the soldiers she wanted to treat her son and had a first aid bag that could help. However, one of the soldiers told her that a military doctor with them would assist him.
"I could hear Mohammed moaning in pain. Occasionally, they would open the door, glance at him, and command 'Oskot' [Arabic for stay silent], then shut it again," Bhar recounted to the Middle East Eye website. "Then the soldiers exchanged gestures. A doctor who accompanied them entered the room, and suddenly Mohammed fell silent."
Nabila Bhar said she suspected the doctor administered a sedative, as she could no longer see or hear Mohammed after that. "I asked the soldier, 'Where is Mohammed?' He replied, 'Mohammed is gone.' I pressed, 'Gone where?' He insisted, 'He's gone. There is no Mohammed.'"

After that, the family was ordered, at gunpoint, to leave Mohammed behind and leave the neighborhood with other residents. Mohammed's sister, Sarah Bhar, has told journalists that two of her other brothers were arrested at the house by the soldiers. She believes Mohammed was left bleeding, and possibly died of thirst.

Sarah said her cousins were the first who managed to return to the family home – and they found Mohammed's body. Mohammed's brother Jibreel saw the body when he was allowed back after a week. "We thought he wasn't at home," he told the BBC. "But it turned out he had been bleeding and left alone at home all this time."
'The individual likely remained alone'
Last week, the IDF spokesperson told different outlets it was "looking into the report." Over the weekend, the IDF replied to Haaretz's query on the matter, confirming that the incident took place and added: "The IDF regrets any harm to civilians during combat operations." The IDF's response also mentioned that "several canines have even sacrificed their lives during combat" in Gaza.

The IDF said soldiers went into the Bhar's home during an operation in Shujaiyeh that included "significant exchanges of fire between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists."
It went on to say: "As part of the operation against the terrorists, the troops searched buildings using a canine. Inside one of the buildings, the canine detected terrorists and bit an individual. The troops provided initial medical treatment to that individual in a separate room within the building and urged his family to evacuate the apartment to avoid staying in the combat area.
"Exchanges of fire continued throughout the operation, during which an RPG was fired at our troops, hitting an IDF tank and causing injuries to soldiers, ultimately resulting in the death of one of them. Following the RPG strike, the troops that gave initial medical treatment to the individual who was bitten in the apartment had to leave to ensure treatment was given to the injured soldiers. At this point, the individual likely remained alone in the building. It should be emphasized that this incident underscores Hamas' practice of operating within civilian environments and using the civilian population as human shields."

We need to know it won't happen again'
While Mohammed Bhar's death caused outrage on social media in the Arab world, it was hardly mentioned in the Israeli media. Still, Israeli families of people with Down syndrome protested the incident last Wednesday, on the sidelines of a demonstration in front of the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv calling for a hostage deal.

Olga Jitlina, the mother of a 5-year-old with Down syndrome, told Haaretz: "We're showing solidarity as special needs families, because that's basically our identities – for me it's a bigger part of my identity than being Jewish or Palestinian. It's something that brings us together. So we want to demand that the Israeli government and the IDF open an investigation to understand what happened."
Seeking better care for her child, Jitlina made aliyah to Israel from Russia – only to find herself protesting for other people who raised children with Down syndrome. "It's totally unacceptable for us as special needs parents, it's our nightmare," she said. "We need to know that it won't happen again, and that the people who would do this to special needs children wouldn't do this to our kids."

ConnieCounter · 22/07/2024 21:54

So the IDF admitted that they did indeed leave him by himself to die after allowing their dog to maul him.

Posters making up fairy tales to deny this happened make my stomach turn.

Kindatired · 22/07/2024 23:38

I don’t think that David Collier is a very good journalist. I am absolutely confident that Fergal Keane OBE is an excellent journalist although he doesn’t do much in recent years for health reasons.

I’m sorry if this post veers a little obliquely off topic but there is some fascinating context

David Collier is a bit pathetic- he does bit of jobbing for those needing a bit of sensationalist poor quality pro Israeli propaganda. He appears to survive on his Patreon contributions, on line appeals for financial support and these little odd jobs. His main claim to fame is that he received an award from the same Yiddish language newspaper as Donald Trump- one of 100 individuals who do so annually

Fergal Keane as the name suggests is Irish.

David is anti-Irish because in May 2019 the Irish parliament (the Dáil) passed a motion that labelled the continued West Bank and East Jerusalem settlements
as de facto annexation and a barrier to a two state solution.

Six months later, the Israeli embassy published a report by David Collier which was the result of hours spent trawling through more than 10 years of tags, likes and posts on the Facebook /Twitter and other SM accounts, mostly of left wing politicians, especially Sinn Féin. Hundreds of social media accounts of the mouthiest activists and politicians were mined for antisemitism. He seems to have trawled through the 72,000 tweets of one particular mouthy activist- personally I’d never heard of her.

Trocaire, all of the Christian Churches, the Irish Times, the Irish National Teachers organisation, the Dáil ( Parliament), were slated. Trinity , Galway , Maynooth- all the universitie, slated.

One of the conclusions of his so called research:
“Irish Politicians swim in the sewers of rabid antisemitic activism looking for anything they can post to demonise Israel”.

Looks to me like Collier is a bit of a saddo with a colourful turn of phrase and a complete lack of objective research methods. I would not believe his posts unless they were corroborated by a more reputable source and he’s probably an Israeli government propagandist.

https://embassies.gov.il/dublin/NewsAndEvents/Documents/Collier%20Antisemitism%20in%20Ireland%20_final_online.pdf

ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 00:13

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Masked ‘settlers’. Do Jewish people usually mask themselves? Looking closely they certainly don’t look like white Jewish Western settlers to me

Yes Jewish settlers out to harm Palestinians do usually mask themselves. Isn’t it interesting to see how they don’t look like ‘white’ Jewish settlers but actually very like typical terrorists of the region?

BelleHathor · 23/07/2024 00:23

Kindatired · 22/07/2024 23:38

I don’t think that David Collier is a very good journalist. I am absolutely confident that Fergal Keane OBE is an excellent journalist although he doesn’t do much in recent years for health reasons.

I’m sorry if this post veers a little obliquely off topic but there is some fascinating context

David Collier is a bit pathetic- he does bit of jobbing for those needing a bit of sensationalist poor quality pro Israeli propaganda. He appears to survive on his Patreon contributions, on line appeals for financial support and these little odd jobs. His main claim to fame is that he received an award from the same Yiddish language newspaper as Donald Trump- one of 100 individuals who do so annually

Fergal Keane as the name suggests is Irish.

David is anti-Irish because in May 2019 the Irish parliament (the Dáil) passed a motion that labelled the continued West Bank and East Jerusalem settlements
as de facto annexation and a barrier to a two state solution.

Six months later, the Israeli embassy published a report by David Collier which was the result of hours spent trawling through more than 10 years of tags, likes and posts on the Facebook /Twitter and other SM accounts, mostly of left wing politicians, especially Sinn Féin. Hundreds of social media accounts of the mouthiest activists and politicians were mined for antisemitism. He seems to have trawled through the 72,000 tweets of one particular mouthy activist- personally I’d never heard of her.

Trocaire, all of the Christian Churches, the Irish Times, the Irish National Teachers organisation, the Dáil ( Parliament), were slated. Trinity , Galway , Maynooth- all the universitie, slated.

One of the conclusions of his so called research:
“Irish Politicians swim in the sewers of rabid antisemitic activism looking for anything they can post to demonise Israel”.

Looks to me like Collier is a bit of a saddo with a colourful turn of phrase and a complete lack of objective research methods. I would not believe his posts unless they were corroborated by a more reputable source and he’s probably an Israeli government propagandist.

https://embassies.gov.il/dublin/NewsAndEvents/Documents/Collier%20Antisemitism%20in%20Ireland%20_final_online.pdf

Ariana Grande Singing GIF by The Voice

Ooh derail away, that's what the kids would call a read!

ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 09:07

Haaretz:

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said during his Religious Zionism faction meeting in the Knesset that "Unfortunately, the high command in the IDF does not know its place, and instead of focusing on the war against Hamas, it voices political positions in favor of a reckless deal while exceeding its authority and duty," claiming that this is what brought about the October 7 attacks. "Stop talking and preaching, keep fighting and killing."

Monster that he is.

anotherlevel · 23/07/2024 10:45

It makes me physically sick that some people deny that the attack never took place and wasn't what it appeared to be initially. Absolutely diabolical that it's fine to say it didn't happen.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 10:57

AhNowTed · 22/07/2024 21:20

The story about the Downs Syndrome man was covered in Haaretz today.

I have a subscription.

The poster making wild theories is of course talking nonsense.

Here is the article in full.

Israeli Army Left Palestinian With Down Syndrome to Die After Dog Attack in Gaza Home
Mohammed Bhar, 24, died at his family's apartment in Gaza City after being bitten by an IDF combat dog during an Israeli army raid in early July. Ordered to evacuate the building at the time, his family found him dead a week later
Mohammed Bhar, a resident of the Shujaiyeh neighborhood in eastern Gaza City, was attacked by an Israel Defense Forces combat dog in his home in the beginning of July, and according to his family was left to die by Israeli soldiers.
A spokesperson for the IDF, replying to Haaretz's questions on the incident, confirmed it occurred, saying it was during a "significant exchanges of fire between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists," and adding that "the troops that gave initial medical treatment to the individual who was bitten in the apartment had to leave to ensure treatment was given to injured soldiers."
Bhar, 24, was an autistic man who also had Down syndrome. His family told the BBC and other news outlets last week that their home was stormed by soldiers on July 3, after a week of heavy fighting in the area, and that the soldiers aimed their rifles and weapons at them. Amid the chaos, Bhar thought the dog was playing with him. He patted the animal's head and said, "Leave me alone, habibi," even as the dog tore at his hand and continued to attack him.

Nabila Ahmed Bhar, Mohammed's mother, told the BBC and Andalou News Agency that as her son's arm was bleeding heavily, some of the soldiers took him to another room, seemingly to assess his wounds and treat him. The family was forcibly evicted from the home a few hours later, with Mohammed still in the next room. When they were finally able to return to their home a week later, they found him in the room, dead, with wounds that had barely been treated.

Members of the Bhar family have told the media they were trapped in their home during the IDF's operation in Shujaiyeh. In her conversation with the BBC, Nabila Bhar said her son had difficulty moving, and "didn't know how to do anything by himself." His mother and brothers, as well as nephews and nieces, took care of him.

Human rights organizations have reported since the beginning of the Gaza war that people with disabilities and their families find it harder to get to, and stay in, the IDF designated "safe zones," and they sometimes opt to stay at home under immense risk. In general, their ability to flee is extremely limited. According to a Human Rights Watch report from November, people with disabilities interviewed by the organization said they "lost assistive devices when Israeli strikes destroyed or damaged their homes, leaving them homeless and unable to get necessities."
Already before the current war, about 21 percent of Gazan households had at least one member with a disability.
'Suddenly, Mohammed fell silent'
Recounting the attack, Mohammed's mother said her son was terrified, and that she "pleaded with the army to call off the dog, telling them Mohammed was ill." She then told the soldiers she wanted to treat her son and had a first aid bag that could help. However, one of the soldiers told her that a military doctor with them would assist him.
"I could hear Mohammed moaning in pain. Occasionally, they would open the door, glance at him, and command 'Oskot' [Arabic for stay silent], then shut it again," Bhar recounted to the Middle East Eye website. "Then the soldiers exchanged gestures. A doctor who accompanied them entered the room, and suddenly Mohammed fell silent."
Nabila Bhar said she suspected the doctor administered a sedative, as she could no longer see or hear Mohammed after that. "I asked the soldier, 'Where is Mohammed?' He replied, 'Mohammed is gone.' I pressed, 'Gone where?' He insisted, 'He's gone. There is no Mohammed.'"

After that, the family was ordered, at gunpoint, to leave Mohammed behind and leave the neighborhood with other residents. Mohammed's sister, Sarah Bhar, has told journalists that two of her other brothers were arrested at the house by the soldiers. She believes Mohammed was left bleeding, and possibly died of thirst.

Sarah said her cousins were the first who managed to return to the family home – and they found Mohammed's body. Mohammed's brother Jibreel saw the body when he was allowed back after a week. "We thought he wasn't at home," he told the BBC. "But it turned out he had been bleeding and left alone at home all this time."
'The individual likely remained alone'
Last week, the IDF spokesperson told different outlets it was "looking into the report." Over the weekend, the IDF replied to Haaretz's query on the matter, confirming that the incident took place and added: "The IDF regrets any harm to civilians during combat operations." The IDF's response also mentioned that "several canines have even sacrificed their lives during combat" in Gaza.

The IDF said soldiers went into the Bhar's home during an operation in Shujaiyeh that included "significant exchanges of fire between IDF troops and Hamas terrorists."
It went on to say: "As part of the operation against the terrorists, the troops searched buildings using a canine. Inside one of the buildings, the canine detected terrorists and bit an individual. The troops provided initial medical treatment to that individual in a separate room within the building and urged his family to evacuate the apartment to avoid staying in the combat area.
"Exchanges of fire continued throughout the operation, during which an RPG was fired at our troops, hitting an IDF tank and causing injuries to soldiers, ultimately resulting in the death of one of them. Following the RPG strike, the troops that gave initial medical treatment to the individual who was bitten in the apartment had to leave to ensure treatment was given to the injured soldiers. At this point, the individual likely remained alone in the building. It should be emphasized that this incident underscores Hamas' practice of operating within civilian environments and using the civilian population as human shields."

We need to know it won't happen again'
While Mohammed Bhar's death caused outrage on social media in the Arab world, it was hardly mentioned in the Israeli media. Still, Israeli families of people with Down syndrome protested the incident last Wednesday, on the sidelines of a demonstration in front of the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv calling for a hostage deal.

Olga Jitlina, the mother of a 5-year-old with Down syndrome, told Haaretz: "We're showing solidarity as special needs families, because that's basically our identities – for me it's a bigger part of my identity than being Jewish or Palestinian. It's something that brings us together. So we want to demand that the Israeli government and the IDF open an investigation to understand what happened."
Seeking better care for her child, Jitlina made aliyah to Israel from Russia – only to find herself protesting for other people who raised children with Down syndrome. "It's totally unacceptable for us as special needs parents, it's our nightmare," she said. "We need to know that it won't happen again, and that the people who would do this to special needs children wouldn't do this to our kids."

Olga Jitlina, the mother of a 5-year-old with Down syndrome, told Haaretz: "We're showing solidarity as special needs families, because that's basically our identities – for me it's a bigger part of my identity than being Jewish or Palestinian. It's something that brings us together. So we want to demand that the Israeli government and the IDF open an investigation to understand what happened."

She is brave and strong to do this and she has the right idea.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/07/2024 10:59

anotherlevel · 23/07/2024 10:45

It makes me physically sick that some people deny that the attack never took place and wasn't what it appeared to be initially. Absolutely diabolical that it's fine to say it didn't happen.

Or to imply that it didn’t matter because he was a terrorist’s disabled offspring.

anotherlevel · 23/07/2024 11:07

anotherlevel · 23/07/2024 10:45

It makes me physically sick that some people deny that the attack never took place and wasn't what it appeared to be initially. Absolutely diabolical that it's fine to say it didn't happen.

The should read "deny the attack ever took place"

ConnieCounter · 23/07/2024 11:42

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9woGC1sco3/?igsh=MXNuNnFwNDZ4dzBjeQ==

Channel 4 report. Absolutely deplorable to treat civilians like this. Shameful.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9woGC1sco3?igsh=MXNuNnFwNDZ4dzBjeQ%3D%3D

AhNowTed · 23/07/2024 12:36

ConnieCounter · 23/07/2024 11:42

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9woGC1sco3/?igsh=MXNuNnFwNDZ4dzBjeQ==

Channel 4 report. Absolutely deplorable to treat civilians like this. Shameful.

400,000 ordered to move.

They stared bombing within minutes.

English MSF doctor says what happened:

x.com/brokenmirror33/status/1815555669921038736?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

ConnieCounter · 23/07/2024 13:29

AhNowTed · 23/07/2024 12:36

400,000 ordered to move.

They stared bombing within minutes.

English MSF doctor says what happened:

x.com/brokenmirror33/status/1815555669921038736?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

Horrifying number of casualties. I can't watch that right now but I'll try later.

I feel like I'm going mad watching this at this stage.

AhNowTed · 23/07/2024 18:26

@ConnieCounter

"I feel like I'm going mad watching this at this stage."

Yes me too.

I'm seeing the most horrendous things today.

I'll be back later, but I am losing my patience with certain posters.

Dulra · 23/07/2024 19:05

This week the drive time news programme on Irish radio have been interviewing medics coming back from Gaza. They are mainly from UK and US. Each account is worse than the one before. Each one have been in multiple war zones before and have all said that Gaza is one of the worst they've witnessed and the first time they've seen so many children getting injured. The other thing they have all pointed out is that the fact that so many of the ill and injured are malnourished it means they are more vulnerable to death from injuries because their immune systems are compromised, they can't fight infection and their wounds won't heal properly.

All of this can be addressed even without a ceasefire if Israel would let in proper medical aid, water, food and ensure there are safe medical zones where the sick and injured can be treated properly or quickly evacuated for treatment. There is simply no justification or excuse for denying that.

PeasfullPerson · 23/07/2024 22:35

I’m really sorry I haven’t read the latest comments in detail, but I wanted to say I am absolutely fuming that the man who is ultimately responsible for all this unforgivable cruelty, will be preparing to address congress tomorrow.

He can wear his best suit and a face full of make up, and say whatever he likes, but most of the world knows that he is responsible for this unstoppable slow motion genocide. There is no hiding that.

He shouldn’t be addressing the US congress, he should be in prison!

ConnieCounter · 23/07/2024 22:47

PeasfullPerson · 23/07/2024 22:35

I’m really sorry I haven’t read the latest comments in detail, but I wanted to say I am absolutely fuming that the man who is ultimately responsible for all this unforgivable cruelty, will be preparing to address congress tomorrow.

He can wear his best suit and a face full of make up, and say whatever he likes, but most of the world knows that he is responsible for this unstoppable slow motion genocide. There is no hiding that.

He shouldn’t be addressing the US congress, he should be in prison!

Totally agree. It's sickening.

Also agree re his make up and fillers/botox. He looks like a wax figure.

EasterIssland · 23/07/2024 23:39

Olympics are soon starting. This is the flag bearer for Israel. A proud Israeli that loves to sign on bombs. They must be really proud of him at his house

https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1815837997260234846

x.com

https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1815837997260234846

Dulra · 24/07/2024 08:06

PeasfullPerson · 23/07/2024 22:35

I’m really sorry I haven’t read the latest comments in detail, but I wanted to say I am absolutely fuming that the man who is ultimately responsible for all this unforgivable cruelty, will be preparing to address congress tomorrow.

He can wear his best suit and a face full of make up, and say whatever he likes, but most of the world knows that he is responsible for this unstoppable slow motion genocide. There is no hiding that.

He shouldn’t be addressing the US congress, he should be in prison!

Totally agree it's a disgrace, the US putting their two fingers up to the UN, ICJ, ICC and the innocent Palestinian people.

Not everyone is happy with the visit

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c978m115eg8o?zephr-modal-register

Police stand guard in Washington in preparation for Netanyahu's address to Congress

Benjamin Netanyahu faces 'day of rage' in Washington, protesters say

Israeli prime minister cited as 'number one enemy' by pro-Palestinian groups as he prepares for speech to Congress.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c978m115eg8o?zephr-modal-register=