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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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AhNowTed · 12/09/2024 19:22

"Washington Post Probe Challenges IDF's Findings on Fatal West Bank Shooting of a U.S. Activist

Based on conversations with 13 eyewitnesses, Washington Post investigation finds that the IDF fired at protesters "from a distance where they posed no apparent threat" when American activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi was shot"

You don't say.

Nothing short of murder.

Washington Post probe challenges IDF's findings on West Bank shooting of a U.S. activist https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-12/ty-article/washington-post-probe-challenges-idfs-findings-on-west-bank-shooting-of-a-u-s-activist/00000191-e504-df46-a1f9-eda77afe0000?utmsource=ApppShare&utmmedium=iOSSNative

Dulra · 12/09/2024 20:46

The amount of aid entering, he said, “is the absolute minimum needed to ensure that people don’t die immediately from starvation. They could die three years from now from extended malnutrition, but this is the minimum amount of trucks needed to ensure people don’t die immediately, and avoid international outrage.”

It's sickening

ScrollingLeaves · 12/09/2024 21:59

I looked up the singer Argov mentioned and saw the Times of Israel had written about him November 2022 and said this:

Israeli society has a problem. It has too much tolerance and flexibility, and people don’t pay a price for the heinous crimes they committed, whether singers or actors or doctors,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/unfit-to-be-the-king-how-singer-zohar-argovs-legacy-continues-to-be-whitewashed/
Apparently people adore his singing in spite
of his crimes. It is such a difficult question imo to answer - whether a person’s art can be praised in spite of the dreadful wrongs they have carried out. It is interesting to hear how important he was for Mizrahi music.

Without being able to read the whole Haaretz article here we cannot tell if there was more to say about the Sde Teiman soldiers whose crime of sodomising and brutally attacking the Hamas policeman, may also be ignored, though the Times of Israel 2022 seems to suggest this may not be surprising.

There are other problems of rape in Israel.
Haaretz Feb 2024
Several Cases of Sexual and Domestic Violence Reported at Hotels Housing Israeli Evacuees
According to police, 116 separate files have been opened, including cases of sexual assault of minors and women. Due to the ongoing war, a total of around 200,000 people have been displaced from the Gaza and Lebanon border areas.

Several incidents of sexual violence against women and minors, as well as domestic violence, are being reported in the hotels across Israel that are currently hosting evacuees from the northern and southern parts of the country due to the ongoing war.

Haaretz Nov 2022
A Third of Israeli Female Soldiers Were Sexually Harassed in 2021, Report Says
A report by the State Comptroller found that less than half of the Israeli female soldiers who experienced sexual harassment filed a complaint, and out of those who did report, 44% said it was not handled properly and 26% reported that their complaint was not handled at all.

About a third of women soldiers doing their mandatory service in the Israel Defense Forces have experienced sexual harassment at least once in the past year, according to a State Comptroller report released on Monday.

Haaretz July 2022
^Soldier Kills Herself After Reporting She Was Raped. Now Israeli Army Probes Suspicions of Negligence*
Despite reporting the rape on the night it happened, the soldier was not taken to get treatment, her complaint was not passed on, and her access to a weapon was not limited.

Haaretz June 2022
Israeli Officer Convicted of Sex Crimes Now Working at Training Base
Rahamim Cohen confessed in 2004 to touching two women under his command against their will. Now he markets Israeli weapons and training facilities to other armies.

Haaretz 2018
The Trailblazing Israeli Movement That Predated #MeToo
Since One of One was launched in 2013, some 2,500 Israelis have shared their experiences of rape, incest and sexual assault. Founder Yael Sherer says she started a fire – and men will be the next to break their silence.

Sherer who started “One on One”:
^People in Israel say they didn’t complain because they didn’t think anything could be done. And sadly, it’s the truth,” she says. “Our prime minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] never speaks out against sexual violence – in fact, within his own little circle, there are several men who have been accused of it. Our justice minister and education minister haven’t said anything about it, and neither does the army acknowledge that it has a severe problem on its hands. And even when women go to the police to complain, they are still asked questions like what were they wearing and whether or not they had an orgasm. So why would people complain? What would they gain from* it besides more anguish?”

(Obviously there is a problem with rape and sexual assault in the U.K. too where in effect it is not a crime because it will never be prosecuted. But it does seem as though it is too ignored in Israel especially in the army. )

Re: a post earlier today quoting a Haaretz brief,
Israel Is Rife With Rape Apologists. And They're Getting Louder

Edited to refer this earlier post I was responding to.

AhNowTed · 13/09/2024 07:40

Stripped and held at gunpoint, the Gaza schoolboys ‘forced to be Israel’s human shields’

Palestinians as young as 12 describe how they were forced to inspect houses and roads to look for tunnels and militants, sometimes dressed in military fatigues, in a practice an Israeli NGO warns is ‘broadly used’ and ‘systemic’.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-human-shields-gaza-war-b2604589.html

ScrollingLeaves · 13/09/2024 23:22

Channel 4 Report tonight:
^Malnutrition and terrible sanitation lead to epidemic of skin infections in Gaza*

Trigger warning: upsetting report on children experiencing severe suffering with no remedy for skin diseases.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyCDdujYu0

ScrollingLeaves · 13/09/2024 23:33

AhNowTed · 13/09/2024 07:40

Stripped and held at gunpoint, the Gaza schoolboys ‘forced to be Israel’s human shields’

Palestinians as young as 12 describe how they were forced to inspect houses and roads to look for tunnels and militants, sometimes dressed in military fatigues, in a practice an Israeli NGO warns is ‘broadly used’ and ‘systemic’.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-human-shields-gaza-war-b2604589.html

Putting children through this is monstrous. How will those poor children ever get over it. It is awful enough the IDF is using any of the civilians this way.

When asked about these testimonies, the Israeli military said “the orders and directives of the IDF prohibit the use of Gazan civilians captured in the field for military missions that endanger them”.

The orders and directives may prohibit this, and they may sound all very moral. But they are at evidently at odds with the IDF’s everyday standard operating procedures.

Dulra · 14/09/2024 09:52

ScrollingLeaves · 13/09/2024 23:33

Putting children through this is monstrous. How will those poor children ever get over it. It is awful enough the IDF is using any of the civilians this way.

When asked about these testimonies, the Israeli military said “the orders and directives of the IDF prohibit the use of Gazan civilians captured in the field for military missions that endanger them”.

The orders and directives may prohibit this, and they may sound all very moral. But they are at evidently at odds with the IDF’s everyday standard operating procedures.

The orders and directives may prohibit this, and they may sound all very moral. But they are at evidently at odds with the IDF’s everyday standard operating procedures.
And at odds with the evidence, so why are they not being reprimanded if it against policy and orders?

Dulra · 14/09/2024 09:53

ScrollingLeaves · 13/09/2024 23:22

Channel 4 Report tonight:
^Malnutrition and terrible sanitation lead to epidemic of skin infections in Gaza*

Trigger warning: upsetting report on children experiencing severe suffering with no remedy for skin diseases.

Horrific suffering for such young innocent blameless children. Barbaric

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

AhNowTed · 15/09/2024 11:16

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

Have they run out of Palestinian children to do the dirty work.

Dulra · 15/09/2024 11:43

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

If true it is exploitation of vulnerable desperate people

Scirocco · 15/09/2024 11:54

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

What the f**k...

Words actually fail me.

anotherlevel · 15/09/2024 15:52

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 10:58

Haaretz:
Israel Is Recruiting African Asylum Seekers for Life-threatening Gaza War Operations, Promising Permanent Legal Status

Israeli security officials are offering the incentive of permanent residency status to asylum seekers who agree to participate in sometimes life-threatening military operations in Gaza. Sources say that internal criticism of this exploitation has been silenced: 'This is a very problematic matter'

Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers who contribute to the war effort in Gaza – risking their lives – assistance in obtaining permanent status in Israel. This, according to personal accounts obtained by Haaretz.

To me this plan seems not very likely to work out well for the asylum seekers.

Really???

ScrollingLeaves · 15/09/2024 16:28

The Palestinian Chronicle says more about what Haaretz had written. ( It was not on archive ph when I last looked.)
Asylum Seekers Promised Residency for Joining Israeli Army in Gaza – Haaretz
www.palestinechronicle.com/asylum-seekers-promised-residency-for-joining-israeli-army-in-gaza-haaretz/

AhNowTed · 15/09/2024 17:20

"Israel is allowing only drips and drabs of food into Gaza -- “the absolute minimum needed to ensure that people don’t die immediately from starvation," even though "they could die three years from now from extended malnutrition."

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/12/gaza-aid-food-medical-supplies-backlog

PeasfullPerson · 15/09/2024 21:27

AhNowTed · 15/09/2024 17:20

"Israel is allowing only drips and drabs of food into Gaza -- “the absolute minimum needed to ensure that people don’t die immediately from starvation," even though "they could die three years from now from extended malnutrition."

www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/12/gaza-aid-food-medical-supplies-backlog

💔

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 12:55

Here is more about it.
www.trtworld.com/middle-east/african-asylum-seekers-indian-workers-israel-incentivises-war-on-gaza-18208111

The Israeli government is also recruiting Indians to work in construction in order to replace Palestinians.

Netanyahu is said to want the war to go on and on, so they’ll need to recruit more soldiers as they must not have enough conscripts. Then no doubt they’ll use the asylum seeking African army recruits for riskier tasks.

edited to add link

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 13:00

From Haaretz brief last night about recruiting the asylum seekers

ISRAEL: Israel's defense establishment is offering African asylum seekers willing to participate in life-threatening Gaza war operations assistance in obtaining permanent residency status in Israel, an investigation by Haaretz revealed. Defense officials speaking off record said the project is conducted in an organized manner, guided by legal advisers.

  • Security sources told Haaretz that internal criticism of the exploitation of the asylum seekers' vulnerable status and human rights has been silenced, saying: "This is a very problematic matter." To date, no asylum seekers who contributed to the war effort have been granted official status.
EasterIssland · 16/09/2024 17:22

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EasterIssland · 16/09/2024 19:45

Attacks against human rights defenders and obliteration of civic space in Gaza unacceptable, says UN expert

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/attacks-against-human-rights-defenders-and-obliteration-civic-space-gaza#:~:text=GENEVA%20–%20Ten%20months%20into%20Israel's,the%20situation%20of%20human%20rights

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 20:31

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Thise settlers are awful, ignorant thugs and bullies. Why is the government of Israel not ashamed enough to stop them? Given that they don’t trey are one and the same.

I also scrolled down and saw others of their kind had poisoned 50 sheep belonging to two Bedouins. They poured poison into the sheeps’ drinking water.

PeasfullPerson · 17/09/2024 09:33

ScrollingLeaves · 16/09/2024 20:31

Thise settlers are awful, ignorant thugs and bullies. Why is the government of Israel not ashamed enough to stop them? Given that they don’t trey are one and the same.

I also scrolled down and saw others of their kind had poisoned 50 sheep belonging to two Bedouins. They poured poison into the sheeps’ drinking water.

They are a disgrace. People are encouraged to consider that Israel acts in line Western values, yet this behaviour is far away from that.

Has anyone here seen things like this happening on a frequent basis in the West??! Do you think it would be tolerated? Or implicitly encouraged?

The bar for behaviour has dropped so low, that it’s not even that out of the ordinary, and what should be disturbing, is habituated and explained away like nothing.

PeasfullPerson · 17/09/2024 09:58

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights denounces Israel’s disregard for international law.

“It seems to me we are at a fork in the road. We can either continue on our current path – a treacherous ‘new normal’ – and sleepwalk into a dystopian future,” he said in a speech met with applause from diplomats.

He also talked about lots of other issues and he seemed to make a lot of sense. This is worth a read if you’re having a bad day and need a break from all the glitter in your eyes (ref to his speech).

https://www.citizen.co.za/news/news-world/un-rights-chief-warns-of-dystopian-future-if-world-doesnt-change-course/

UN rights chief warns of 'dystopian future' if world doesn't change course | The Citizen

UN's Volker Turk cautions the world against escalating conflicts, disinformation, and climate change, urging immediate action for a better future.

https://www.citizen.co.za/news/news-world/un-rights-chief-warns-of-dystopian-future-if-world-doesnt-change-course