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Martymcfly24 · 14/08/2024 16:25

Dr Jumann Arfa mother of the twins had posted on her own Facebook account regarding her treatment of children than had been shot by snipers in the head.
Her apartment with her, her mother and her newborn twins was clearly targeted.

I genuinely cannot say what I want to say without being deleted.

Scirocco · 14/08/2024 17:26

Martymcfly24 · 14/08/2024 16:25

Dr Jumann Arfa mother of the twins had posted on her own Facebook account regarding her treatment of children than had been shot by snipers in the head.
Her apartment with her, her mother and her newborn twins was clearly targeted.

I genuinely cannot say what I want to say without being deleted.

That is beyond evil.

stormy4319trevor · 14/08/2024 18:50

Scirocco · 26/06/2024 07:41

An average of 100 children reported killed each day. Many others are likely to lie, unreported, under rubble. An average of 10 children experiencing an amputation each day (either from the initial traumatic event or having to be carried out as a life-saving measure... and remember, anaesthesia and analgesia are in very short supply). White phosphorus and other burns. Malnutrition. Psychological trauma.

These are children. Just like our own children.

The approach of the Israeli government and military is a choice. A choice to do these things to children. There were alternatives but this is what was, and continues to be, chosen. And people continue to defend and support those choices while attacking people who call for an end to all this death.

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I don't want to minimise any suffering, but I think I heard the death rate in Ukraine was something like 0.5 per day last year. There was such a push to get women and children out, but with Gaza's much higher figures I've heard little from politicians about getting women and children out. I have seen a few interviews with charities now saying they have never seen such violence and destruction inflicted on children before and I can't understand why no government seems willing or able to help them. It is the most horrifying thing I've seen happening in my life

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 15/08/2024 01:10

Martymcfly24 · 14/08/2024 16:25

Dr Jumann Arfa mother of the twins had posted on her own Facebook account regarding her treatment of children than had been shot by snipers in the head.
Her apartment with her, her mother and her newborn twins was clearly targeted.

I genuinely cannot say what I want to say without being deleted.

It's was definitely an assassination. Only the one apartment was hit. Israel can do targeted strikes, but instead of targeting Hamas, they do it it assassinate a civilian woman and two newborns. 😡

ConnieCounter · 15/08/2024 07:41

It certainly looks like a targeted assassination. If it is...I mean there are no words for that.

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Martymcfly24 · 15/08/2024 11:42

ConnieCounter · 15/08/2024 07:41

It certainly looks like a targeted assassination. If it is...I mean there are no words for that.

No words at all.
And if they were reading her Facebook they would have seeing her post where she announced the birth of Asser and Aysel ( they deserve to have their names said) so they knew exactly who was going to die in that airstrike.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/08/2024 12:59

Martymcfly24 · 14/08/2024 16:25

Dr Jumann Arfa mother of the twins had posted on her own Facebook account regarding her treatment of children than had been shot by snipers in the head.
Her apartment with her, her mother and her newborn twins was clearly targeted.

I genuinely cannot say what I want to say without being deleted.

That must be so mustn’t it? This army and government has an evil, Putinesque, devouring faction within itself.

In the end it will harm Israelis too.

EasterIssland · 19/09/2024 21:40

There are some news in the Spanish UN website. There is something similar in the English one but it’s not word by word a translation.

the Spanish one says

Israel has killed more children in Gaza than men and women

denial of humanitarian access, at least one million children have been displaced, 21,000 children are reported missing, 20,000 children have lost one or both parents, 17,000 are alone or separated from their families, dozens have died from malnutrition and 3,500 children They are at risk of death due to lack of food.

——
spanish
https://news.un.org/es/story/2024/09/1532906

related news in English
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154546

Whole generation of children ‘lost’ amid ongoing Gaza war, UNICEF warns

Last October’s terror attacks by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups on Israeli communities marked a devastating day for children, and the suffering has continued unabated, a senior UNICEF official said on Thursday.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154546

ScrollingLeaves · 19/09/2024 22:18

EasterIssland · 19/09/2024 21:40

There are some news in the Spanish UN website. There is something similar in the English one but it’s not word by word a translation.

the Spanish one says

Israel has killed more children in Gaza than men and women

denial of humanitarian access, at least one million children have been displaced, 21,000 children are reported missing, 20,000 children have lost one or both parents, 17,000 are alone or separated from their families, dozens have died from malnutrition and 3,500 children They are at risk of death due to lack of food.

——
spanish
https://news.un.org/es/story/2024/09/1532906

related news in English
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154546

The anguish of the plight of the children!

NotTerfNorCis · 20/09/2024 17:21

https://abcnews.go.com/International/father-gaza-twins-birth-gaza-airstrike-killed/story?id=112835680

Saw the story on the murdered mum and twins, and checked it.

The ones who did this are evil and vile. They deserve no support from the UK.

MissyB1 · 20/09/2024 19:05

This horrendous slaughter of mainly women and children must never ever be allowed to be forgotten. And hopefully the Israeli government will one day be held accountable.

WhoSaidWhat123 · 22/09/2024 23:08

Just saw a video on instagram of the latest massacre of a school in Al Zayotoun. A young boy lifting his mangled leg up, pulling on his skin, screaming. Another little boy next to him, dead. Moments later the little boy with the mangled leg is being resuscitated, probably didn’t survive. I watched it at 7.30pm just after I put my youngest to bed. Kept it in until my eldest went to bed, and then my husband (he wouldn’t understand), and I’m absolutely beside myself. Cannot believe this is still going on. I thought I saw the worst of it, I’ve seen a young girl take her last breath from her injuries, another young child taking their last breath due to malnourishment, countless videos and images of murdered children and adults, and they always hit hard, but this has been exceptionally hard tonight. I feel hopeless, my heart hurts, I feel guilty that I feel hopeless and I’m privileged to be safe, far away from the mass extermination. I no have no more words.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/09/2024 23:19

WhoSaidWhat123 · 22/09/2024 23:08

Just saw a video on instagram of the latest massacre of a school in Al Zayotoun. A young boy lifting his mangled leg up, pulling on his skin, screaming. Another little boy next to him, dead. Moments later the little boy with the mangled leg is being resuscitated, probably didn’t survive. I watched it at 7.30pm just after I put my youngest to bed. Kept it in until my eldest went to bed, and then my husband (he wouldn’t understand), and I’m absolutely beside myself. Cannot believe this is still going on. I thought I saw the worst of it, I’ve seen a young girl take her last breath from her injuries, another young child taking their last breath due to malnourishment, countless videos and images of murdered children and adults, and they always hit hard, but this has been exceptionally hard tonight. I feel hopeless, my heart hurts, I feel guilty that I feel hopeless and I’m privileged to be safe, far away from the mass extermination. I no have no more words.

You are a witness for those children.

It is all too terrible.

Dulra · 23/09/2024 07:59

WhoSaidWhat123 · 22/09/2024 23:08

Just saw a video on instagram of the latest massacre of a school in Al Zayotoun. A young boy lifting his mangled leg up, pulling on his skin, screaming. Another little boy next to him, dead. Moments later the little boy with the mangled leg is being resuscitated, probably didn’t survive. I watched it at 7.30pm just after I put my youngest to bed. Kept it in until my eldest went to bed, and then my husband (he wouldn’t understand), and I’m absolutely beside myself. Cannot believe this is still going on. I thought I saw the worst of it, I’ve seen a young girl take her last breath from her injuries, another young child taking their last breath due to malnourishment, countless videos and images of murdered children and adults, and they always hit hard, but this has been exceptionally hard tonight. I feel hopeless, my heart hurts, I feel guilty that I feel hopeless and I’m privileged to be safe, far away from the mass extermination. I no have no more words.

💔 I can't watch the images it is so desperate and unfathomable that the slaughter goes on and on relatively unchecked. May their poor souls finally get to rest in peace

MissyB1 · 23/09/2024 08:36

We are all witnesses. We must ensure that the truth prevails in the future, Israel may well want this to go down in history as a victory, "how we defeated the terrorists". However the real story is of course "how thousands of innocents were slaughtered".

Scirocco · 23/09/2024 08:53

Thank you to everyone. Please, also look after yourselves too.

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Nobody here hates Israel. People simply have compassion and concern for vulnerable children who are being targeted, maimed and killed by a military force that has a track record of doing horrible things to children.

Frankly, it is concerning that anyone, at this point, could look at what is being done to children and families in Palestine and not have compassion for them and think that what is being done to them is wrong.

WhoSaidWhat123 · 23/09/2024 09:55

Wow, this really isn’t about hating Israel, (thankfully that comment got deleted by Mumsnet). It’s about unnecessary murdering of innocent adults and children. The obvious ethnic cleansing that’s going on. The IDF are able to target individuals precisely, they don’t need to murder tens of thousands of civilians to target Hamas.

The fact that international human rights laws can be broken with no consequences doesn't worry you? (The person who made the deleted comment). What does that mean for the rest of the world leaders? Hey Israel can wipe out an entire nation for no reason but greed. Why are we all civilised when they can get away with murder?

EasterIssland · 05/10/2024 23:02

Un in Spanish has relapsed a new document about the children in Gaza.
the Spanish version seems to be reporting more lately than the English one.

translated a few paragraphs.

The number of children cared for here is just a drop in the sea of Gaza orphans in need of protection. The number of unprotected orphans in Gaza currently ranges between 17,000 and 18,000, many of whom are not accompanied by any family members.

https://news.un.org/es/story/2024/10/1533311

La «ciudad de los huérfanos» ayuda a los niños de Gaza en medio de la guerra

Más de 14.000 niños han muerto a manos del Ejército de Israel y se calcula que en Gaza hay entre 17.000 y 18.000 huérfanos palestinos. Unos pocos de entre ellos están recibiendo un rayo de esperanza mientras las tragedias desencadenadas por la cruenta...

https://news.un.org/es/story/2024/10/1533311

Polka83 · 05/10/2024 23:51

WhoSaidWhat123 · 22/09/2024 23:08

Just saw a video on instagram of the latest massacre of a school in Al Zayotoun. A young boy lifting his mangled leg up, pulling on his skin, screaming. Another little boy next to him, dead. Moments later the little boy with the mangled leg is being resuscitated, probably didn’t survive. I watched it at 7.30pm just after I put my youngest to bed. Kept it in until my eldest went to bed, and then my husband (he wouldn’t understand), and I’m absolutely beside myself. Cannot believe this is still going on. I thought I saw the worst of it, I’ve seen a young girl take her last breath from her injuries, another young child taking their last breath due to malnourishment, countless videos and images of murdered children and adults, and they always hit hard, but this has been exceptionally hard tonight. I feel hopeless, my heart hurts, I feel guilty that I feel hopeless and I’m privileged to be safe, far away from the mass extermination. I no have no more words.

I stopped watching the videos as I had seen enough pain and suffering - but I am under no illusions of what is still happening to innocent children. I have images of dead children that are captured in my mind like photos that I will not and do not want to forget.

I read the mourning can only really begin when the killing stops. These children deserve to be mourned just as much as those killed on 7/10. Maybe they too will have an anniversary to be remembered on.

ToNiceWithSpice · 05/10/2024 23:59

I don't know how they could honestly believe that slaughtering innocent people, mainly children is going to make for a safer Israel

ScrollingLeaves · 07/10/2024 21:56

EasterIssland · 07/10/2024 18:29

I hope by some miracle Malak, whose eye was harmed in an Israeli attack and consequently had to be removed, can grow up to be an eye doctor as she hopes.

It is extraordinary to think she and her family do this in memory of the beloved father who was killed, even though they now have so little themselves:

And Malak too has her daily ritual. She and one of her sisters try to do a charitable deed each day in memory of their father. When possible, their aunt makes a gift of food for the dead man. “At night, we put it out and pray for him,” Malak says.

I don’t think we have this idea of doing charitable deeds in memory of a dead, much loved person. It seems a very special thing to do.

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