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Comedycook · 25/06/2024 21:18

ssd · 25/06/2024 20:29

I don't understand it either and i see my post was deleted. And I've had words put in my mouth that posters who don't know me are sure i really mean....mega annoying.

I'm an atheist too and all i know about the holocaust i learned through books and my dad and FIL, both in the war, who liberated Belsen Belsen as part of the first Scottish soldiers to go in.

Anyway I'm really sorry to derail this thread as the reason for it is so important, but i take offence by being told I'm antisemitic when I'm not.

No one told you that you were anti semetic.

Comedycook · 25/06/2024 21:20

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:14

keenforhelp · Today 10:00
MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 21:17
How is mentioning The Holocaust anti-Semitic?

you know very well that mentioning the Holocaust in this context is anti-Semitic

I know no such thing! I’m an atheist whose only knowledge of the Holocaust is from books, documentaries and the Imperial War Museum basement.

I simply don’t understand why referencing something so terrible - that should never be forgotten by anyone - in any context is anti-Semitic. (I’m loathe to google a term I don’t know because I have no idea what will come up).

If you do Google the term holocaust inversion, nothing particularly sinister comes up, just a series of articles explaining why referencing the holocaust is seen as offensive and why it's considered anti semetic.

pandasorous · 25/06/2024 22:49

MissyB1 · 25/06/2024 20:37

But you surely also feel sad for the families of children that have died. The dead children may not be suffering any longer but they may still have parents / siblings or other relatives who will carry that grief for ever.
I'm beyond sickened at it all, shame on Israel and shame on any other Government (including our own) that have either supported the slaughter or turned a blind eye.

agreed

EasterIssland · 25/06/2024 23:00

i was trying to read more about the topic of this thread and found this news. It’s from November. More than100 children had been killed then. How have we gone from 100 to nearly 20k between killed / disappeared or detained and accept it and normalise it?

Over 20,000 children estimated to be lost, disappeared, detained, buried under rubble or in mass graves
ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 23:43

EasterIssland · 25/06/2024 23:00

i was trying to read more about the topic of this thread and found this news. It’s from November. More than100 children had been killed then. How have we gone from 100 to nearly 20k between killed / disappeared or detained and accept it and normalise it?

That headline says more than 100 killed on a daily basis 😭

I saw another statistic today saying on average 10 Gazan children a day lose their legs.

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EasterIssland · 25/06/2024 23:52

ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 23:43

That headline says more than 100 killed on a daily basis 😭

I saw another statistic today saying on average 10 Gazan children a day lose their legs.

🤦🏻‍♀️ I should go to sleep. I missed the daily

apologies

ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 23:58

Well in fairness it's an impossibly high figure to get your head around. It makes my blood boil.

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Scirocco · 26/06/2024 07:41

An average of 100 children reported killed each day. Many others are likely to lie, unreported, under rubble. An average of 10 children experiencing an amputation each day (either from the initial traumatic event or having to be carried out as a life-saving measure... and remember, anaesthesia and analgesia are in very short supply). White phosphorus and other burns. Malnutrition. Psychological trauma.

These are children. Just like our own children.

The approach of the Israeli government and military is a choice. A choice to do these things to children. There were alternatives but this is what was, and continues to be, chosen. And people continue to defend and support those choices while attacking people who call for an end to all this death.

PeasfullPerson · 26/06/2024 09:50

The killing of one child is too many, perhaps that’s why it’s so hard to increase outrage in line with the number of children that have been killed. You can’t identify with thousands of people all at the same time, even though we logically understand that the level of suffering that has been inflicted increases with the number of deaths.

Some more statistics, as of April, Save the Children stated that 1 in 50 children had been killed due to the war in Gaza. I know that the number of known deaths has been revised down since then, but it’s still hideous, and with many missing the full extent has been possibly underestimated, not necessarily inflated for political reasons.

Also The Lancet Group reports…

‘The death reporting system currently being used by the Palestinian MoH was assessed in 2021, 2 years before the current war, and was found to under-report mortality by 13%’

Whatever way you look at it, these children have been subjected to suffering beyond belief, and in my mind there is no justification for inflicting violence and pain upon a child.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/one-in-50-of-gaza-s-children-killed-or-injured-in-six-months-of-

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext

Gaza: One in 50 children killed or injured in 6 months | Save the Children

Nearly 26,000 children – or just over two percent of Gaza’s child population - have been killed or injured in Gaza in six months of a war which has decimated the health

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/one-in-50-of-gaza-s-children-killed-or-injured-in-six-months-of-

Dulra · 26/06/2024 10:05

PeasfullPerson · 26/06/2024 09:50

The killing of one child is too many, perhaps that’s why it’s so hard to increase outrage in line with the number of children that have been killed. You can’t identify with thousands of people all at the same time, even though we logically understand that the level of suffering that has been inflicted increases with the number of deaths.

Some more statistics, as of April, Save the Children stated that 1 in 50 children had been killed due to the war in Gaza. I know that the number of known deaths has been revised down since then, but it’s still hideous, and with many missing the full extent has been possibly underestimated, not necessarily inflated for political reasons.

Also The Lancet Group reports…

‘The death reporting system currently being used by the Palestinian MoH was assessed in 2021, 2 years before the current war, and was found to under-report mortality by 13%’

Whatever way you look at it, these children have been subjected to suffering beyond belief, and in my mind there is no justification for inflicting violence and pain upon a child.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/one-in-50-of-gaza-s-children-killed-or-injured-in-six-months-of-

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext

Whatever way you look at it, these children have been subjected to suffering beyond belief, and in my mind there is no justification for inflicting violence and pain upon a child.

Completely agree

ConnieCounter · 26/06/2024 10:29

I saw this just now and I despair. The US don't even have the balls to admit that the IDF killed this child. They're defending the murder of a child. It's very fucked up and shows how little they care about the children killed and maimed in this conflict.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8rBDyPsoo-/?igsh=cjhvbWpodmY1d2Zu

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8rBDyPsoo-?igsh=cjhvbWpodmY1d2Zu

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MissyB1 · 26/06/2024 11:07

ConnieCounter · 26/06/2024 10:29

I saw this just now and I despair. The US don't even have the balls to admit that the IDF killed this child. They're defending the murder of a child. It's very fucked up and shows how little they care about the children killed and maimed in this conflict.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8rBDyPsoo-/?igsh=cjhvbWpodmY1d2Zu

Well the US don't want to acknowledge any atrocities or war crimes committed by Israel, because they have been complicit in them! They can't admit to the world that they have actively encouraged the murder of innocents.

Finallyloggedin · 28/06/2024 22:25

https://x.com/onlinepaleng/status/1806747280201949656?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Argentine artist Gabriel Giunta created a poignant recycled sculpture depicting a child trapped under rubble, honoring the thousands of Palestinian children buried in Gaza's ruins.🕊️🇵🇸”

x.com

https://x.com/onlinepaleng/status/1806747280201949656?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

poshsnobtwit · 28/06/2024 22:43

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MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 22:50

If you do Google the term holocaust inversion, nothing particularly sinister comes up, just a series of articles explaining why referencing the holocaust is seen as offensive and why it's considered anti semetic.

Thank you @Comedycook . I’m a bit nervous about these things.

ConnieCounter · 28/06/2024 23:47

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What does "hunting down terrorists" have to do with the killing of thousands of children?

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poshsnobtwit · 29/06/2024 11:08

ConnieCounter · 28/06/2024 23:47

What does "hunting down terrorists" have to do with the killing of thousands of children?

Absolutely nothing, which was my point. How many times have we seen on here the mass killings 'explained' by "Hamas need to be taken down". It's got nothing to do with self defence, that has been very obvious to anyone with half a brain from day one. I don't know why my post was deleted, I thought my point was obvious, but apologies if it wasn't.

ConnieCounter · 29/06/2024 11:19

poshsnobtwit · 29/06/2024 11:08

Absolutely nothing, which was my point. How many times have we seen on here the mass killings 'explained' by "Hamas need to be taken down". It's got nothing to do with self defence, that has been very obvious to anyone with half a brain from day one. I don't know why my post was deleted, I thought my point was obvious, but apologies if it wasn't.

Sorry I misunderstood your post.

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Tel12 · 29/06/2024 11:25

When this war is investigated, and that day will happen, Israel will be called to account. I don't know how many children have been killed and injured. It's pointless discussing how many thousands. One would be too much.

keenforhelp · 29/06/2024 22:08

keenforhelp · 24/06/2024 15:27

One child buried under rubble is too many.

For anybody saying I have never said anything supportive for the innocents .

headstone · 30/06/2024 00:30

Palestinian children need more than our tears keenforhelp.

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keenforhelp · 30/06/2024 00:56

headstone · 30/06/2024 00:30

Palestinian children need more than our tears keenforhelp.

Agreed.

So campaign to free the hostages and Gaza from Hamas.

FindThatThing · 30/06/2024 00:58

keenforhelp · 29/06/2024 22:08

For anybody saying I have never said anything supportive for the innocents .

I’m sure you were gritting your teeth really hard when you wrote that.

And looks like your back to your usual self now.

headstone · 30/06/2024 01:04

I totally support a permanent ceasefire and release of hostages keenforhelp .Am I correct in thinking of Israeli ? I ask you to do what you can to put pressure on your government to reduce civilian casualties and stop the IDF activities that are leaving Palestinian children with such awful injuries. Neither of us has any control on what Hamas does.

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