War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

It wasn't a fact though was it. It is nasty to imply life in Israel goes on as normal because that implies that nobody cares. The tone was flippant - and inaccurate. Of course there is compartively more normality because Israel invests in protecting its citizens and its economy to a greater extent. But the 1000s of citizens who lost loved ones on 7 October cannot carry on as normal, those displaced on the borders, those running to bomb shelters, those with loved ones in the military, are not carrying on as normal. We're told on these threads tnat noone has ill will to ordinary Israelis, just their corrupt government. But that comment, the blanking of the Israeli poster and your doubling down on this do suggest otherwise.

I didn't - I am repeating what the female spotters themselves said . Are they not allowed a voice now either?

And here we go again : criticizing Israeli Govt, IDF and settler actions does not equate to unrelenting support of Hamas and Hezbollah.
I know many posters on here think that and nothing will change their narrow blinkered minds on it but it's wrong.

Of course there is comparatively more normality because Israel invests in protecting its citizens and its economy to a greater extent.

And that is the only reason there isn't normality in Gaza at the moment? You accuse another poster of being flippant!

I was just going to say that same poster denies that Gaza is occupied and denies that there is apartheid in the West Bank yet here they are talking about how it is 'nasty' to deny the reality of Israelis and how other posters are being 'flippant' and 'inaccurate'.

It's a bit weird making an appeal to sympathy for Israelis whilst ignoring the extreme disruption and living conditions for those in Gaza.

Who is doing that? I have never seen a poster on these threads do that.

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Silence1 · Yesterday 22:29
** BTW if the IDF had not been such a sexist organization and actually listened to their female spotters they could have prevented a lot of what happened on the 7th October.
^It's nearly a year and where is Israel now?

@Silence1’ s accusation about the disastrous ignoring of the young female IDF border- spotters’ many warnings is absolutely correct.

What happened is very serious. As was leaving them there undefended to be killed or captured. Some of the remaining hostages are these very young women.
What is more, some of those who survived were callously sent back to the border with ptsd.

This has been discussed before on these threads with many links to articles so I am not going to post them again.

I looked up occupation denial 😳

Not the only reason but it is true that while Hamas, aka the Gaza government, has demonstrated excellent engineering and tunelling skills and the resources to do so, they didn't invest in building shelters for the civilian population despite knowing full well the implications of what they were planning on October 7.

You don't need to look "preIsrael". In 1948, Gaza was occupied by Egypt, not Israel (but somehow that was OK?). Actualyl after 1967, Gaza thrived. I'm not justifying the military occupation which, at the time, was meant to be temporary but is obviously not a long term solution. However, in the 70s and 80s Gazans used to freely travel and work in Israel even during the first intifada. It all started to change with the Hamas and Islamic Jihad attacks in the 90s. And then it all went to shit with the second intifada.

Are bomb shelters really that effective that they would save people from the 2000lb 'bunker busting' bombs that Israel have been dropping? If people sheltered in bomb shelters do you think Israel would just shrug and say well, we will leave them there then? Given that refugee camps, schools, hospitals and all the rest have been attacked because Israel claim Hamas are there do you really think Israel would accept people in bomb shelters?
Israel have an army, Palestinians don't. Israel have an airforce, Palestinians don't.

You are comparing apples with oranges by comparing what Israel can do to 'defend' their people vs what Palestinians can do. Israel are allowed to illegally occupy, to commit apartheid, to restrict basic medicines, to restrict movement, to restrict water, to restrict building and building materials, to imprison and abuse children etc all in the name of 'defence'. Can you list what Palestinians can do to defend themselves?

I mean, have people seen those tunnels? They are amazing. Incredibly sophisticated. Hamas have skills, ingenuity and cash. Imagine what they could have done with it all if they had really cared about ordinary Palestinians

So because Hamas don't care Israel can prevent them having a legitimate army? Prevent them from having the materials to build bomb shelters for themselves? Prevent them from having baisc medicines? Prevent them from leaving? And now over 15000 children are dead and 1000s more are missing. Does that sound right to you or does it sound really fucked up?

Yes imagine what Palestinians could have done under a total blockade except the bare essentials for minimum survival.

amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/gaza-blockade-israel-banned-items

It is not Israel's responsibility that Hamas chose the course they did. You do them no favours by infantilising them. There is a limit to how much you can expect Israel to do for Palestinians when Hamas's stated aim was to destroy them. That doesn't mean Israel have been in right on everything but its a weird world where Israel is perceived as evil personified but yet also expected to be saintly paternalistic benefactor.

Prevent them from leaving?

im going to extend your sentence. Prevent them from leaving and from returning once there is peace.

But somehow all the building materials, ventilation engineering equipment and weaponry & munitions got through this blockade?!

Compare to Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon, life in Israel goes on as normal. It's a fact. Infer from it what you want. You may find it flippant and inaccurate but it doesn't mean it was.
Again, I will ask you to stop accusing me of doing things I do not do. Who is the Israeli poster? Doubling down?

All this with Netanyahu's blessing. This is well documented. It served him well to have Hamas in Gaza.

No, Im sorry, life in Israel is not normal. This is disinformation and frankly a lie. 100, 000 people are displaced within Israel, they have had regular rocket fire from Hezbollah & Hamas since 7 October, they suffured the worst attack on Jewish people since the holocaust on 7 October, their people are held hostage. This is not normal. Just because life in Gaza and Lebanon is horrific does not mean you can dismiss the suffering of ordinary Israelis & pretend it is not happening.
There was a poster up the thread who lives in Israel & described some of their situation, but news reports are easy to find too.

That's as maybe @SharonEllis

What right does have to ban items like paper, musical instruments, fabric, notebooks, sewing machines, toys, jam, cumin, coriander, pasta for gods sake.

"Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister at the time, described the strategy this way: “The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet,” Weisglass said, “but not to make them die of hunger.”

What fucking right.

And then expect them to just take it.

The irony!

The welfare of the people that they occupy absolutely is Israels responsibility. Prevent them from helping themselves then shrug and say not my responsibility when you blow them up. There is a limit to what they can do apparently and it appears to be that allowing them water, basic medicines and basic building supplies are above that limit and would extend them into saintly parernalistic benefactor status. That people can even think like this never mind have the courage to say it out loud is shameful.

The Israeli government are painting themselves as evil personified by their daily actions. They don't need help.