War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

I don’t particularly like the French at the moment
Care to elaborate? I am French so I would like to know why you don't like me.

If the billions in aid and the taxes raised by Hamas were spent just on the betterment of its peoples then yes it could be so much better. The corruption of the leadership who have millions in other countries is surely not a doubt!

The UN, ICJ and other international experts all disagree with your first sentence.

Hamas has been a disaster for Gaza. Nobody is disputing that. It is difficult to see why people can't accept that the occupation and blockade have also been a disaster for Gaza, to the point of still denying the existence of the occupation. There's decades of academic work, legal work and lived experience saying that these were happening. Recognising that doesn't mean betraying anyone, or excusing awful things done by terrorists. Recognising it is an important step in being able to consider how things need to change in order to create a situation in which sustainable peace is an option. The only way for Israel to be safe in the region without violence is for there to be a peace process based on words rather than bombs - and to engage meaningfully in such a peace process, there needs to be recognition of the harms caused by occupation and annexation.

She didnt say she didnt like you. She was making a point. Its the silliness that these threads descend into that is so depressing.

I feel so utterly sick of it all. I'm not going to comment on who are the good guys and who aren't. Just enough! The utter misery being forced upon the people who live in these regions. It doesn't bear thinking about.

Really, you genuinely think that a place with no seaports, no airports, no control of their borders can thrive?

Why on earth is there such strong feeling about the West implementing sanctions on Israel or even just on people boycotting Israeli companies if a tiny strip of land hosting 2million people can thrive without even having a port surely Israel will just get better and better if trade with the West is severely restricted. If we stopped all planes going to and from Israel things would probably get better again right?

I really don't know who posters think they are fooling with this nonsense. Repeating foolish things they saw on tiktok or somewhere without actually stopping to think things through.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/sep/24/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-lebanon-hezbollah-war-news

The escalation continues. extremely scary and worrying times for every innocent civilian living in these regions. I have no doubt the destruction and bloodshed will achieve nothing but pain, suffering and death. So depressing that in 2024 this seems to be the default go to

I can see our foreign secretary is calling for a ceasefire, not that I think it will hold much weight. Has any other country intervened on either side to end this latest escalation?

Not Spain tho they did condemn last weeks attacks

The news from Lebanon is awful. I'm growing to actually loathe Netanyahu, he's horrific and appears to think he's above the law.

It seems to me like he wants to provoke Iran and is constantly escalating to try to get a violent response from them. It's very scary.

Meanwhile the focus is off what's happening in Gaza. Which I guess suits him too.

I don't have tic tok 😂

Seriously, you don't think a place could be better if all the billions in aid, and money raised in taxes by Hamas was just being spent on improving Gaza for its peoples rather than being siphoned off by Hamas leadership! Good grief. That's astonishing. Of course it would be better for the people.

"The IDF has said it launched a fresh wave of strikes on Lebanon overnight, targeting positions from which rockets were fired towards Israel." It might be argued that taking out where the rockets are launched from by Hezbollah will prevent further rocket launches 🤔.

Stop firing the rockets into Israel then there would be no need to take out the rocket launch sites.

I’m so fed up of the US propping up this corrupt Israeli government and seeing the death toll of their aggression get higher and higher. It’s fine for US to say they think this action in Lebanon doesn’t help and that a ceasefire is the right way to go, but it is their support that has facilitated this action. The US has not been a good friend to Israel, they have enabled this.

Let’s not forget that while the actions of Israel in Lebananon so far, haven’t been as bad as the actions in Gaza, seeming more calculated and less like hot headed revenge, this is a poor yardstick. They are still disproportionate, and are being done against the backdrop of nearly every other country in the world saying the way to peace is through a ceasefire in Gaza.

Yesterday they also did it, unfortunately the collateral damage like some posters say was that nearly 30 kids were killed , first aid vehicles were affected too. Sorry if some of us worry about the collateral damage and how many more will there be.

This sums it up.

Are you talking about the rocket damage to the hospital in Nazareth or the ambulance hit in Emek Yizrael? Yeah, didn't think so.

is this collateral damage ?

Posters were talking about Gaza thriving and having an economy like Israels as a realistic prospect under occupation and blockade not that it could be 'better'. You've massively changed the goalposts in order to 'astonish' yourself.

It isn't nasty to state a fact.
Yes, Israelis mourn their dead and fear for their hostages ( both from Hamas and the relentless bombing from the IDF). Yes some protest and are swiftly dealt with, by the police. Yes many work for peace and yes some were cruelly murdered. Some were displaced too.
But let's not fool ourselves to think that "normal" life in Israel has stopped, that people don't go about their every day business, working, shopping, and yes, eating out.

She said, and I quote, " I don't like the French, at the moment". I am French, therefore it is entirely logical to deduce that she doesn't like me.
Just image if I just said i didn't like the Israelis at the moment. Would you find this acceptable?
Anyway, I asked her/him to elaborate, not you. I am sure I will get an answer to my query. I live in hope.

I will go and do a search on Times of Israel then. So they have footage from all 800 air strikes?

Funny you mention the corruption of leadership, isn’t Nethanyu currently delaying no fewer than three criminal trials against him for corruption by prolonging the war(s)?

Corrupt leadership is almost universal amongst all leaders of any entirety.

The point is that you can’t compare the economy of a country that has free movement of its citizens and can trade across borders to a narrow strip of illegally occupied land that has a massive wall built around it and only two ways in or out, no airport (they built one but it was bombed into oblivion by Israel), no sea port (all destroyed by Israel). The wall has a security buffer zone where any human getting too close is killed by automatic machine guns. Fishermen are regularly blown up if the Israeli Navy think they are drifting too far offshore. Israel controls every bit of water, electricity, food, goods, medicine and people going in and out of Gaza. Gaza built a power plant- Israel blew it up.

And this was before Oct 7th. This has been since 2005.

Of you look at preIsrael, Gaza used to be a thriving major port city and cultural centre for the region.

Of course I like the French - I was being provocative.

Me too, the US spent the first 9 months of the war blocking every motion for a ceasefire saying it wasn’t the right way to go and Israel was just defending itself and doing very limited incursions to fight Hamas.

If they hadn’t blocked a ceasefire for so damn long, then we would not be in this situation where Israel feels like it can ignore the UN. The US was doing it with them for 9 months. Their UNSC ambassador was veto veto veto over and over. Now their platitudes ring hollow.

The thing is, Israel appear to be beleaguered. They have links with the West, but they know they have to fight their own corner (on multiple fronts), and that is what they are doing.

They wouldn't be taking this action in Lebanon without Hezbollah's rockets etc.

So there need to be words, but the words need to be "We are not going to attack you any more", and need to be backed up with convincing actions, and need to come from the terrorist aggressors.

And unfortunately, I don't think that is likely.