War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

Been listening to booms of rockets every few hours since Saturday night. Can't sleep. Been running to the bomb shelter with my kids and sitting there listening to how close the impact was. Texting friends and family constantly to make sure we're still ok. Hearing my youngest ask why they want to kill him (he doesn't even know the words for that in English. He said "why they want to be הורג me?"). And I live in a religiously mixed town in a nice bit of Israel not subject to any international law dispute and not near the border. I definitely don't want sympathy. And I'm definitely not comparing to anywhere or anyone else. But don't say life is normal here, this is not normal.

It must be horrible for you and your family. May you stay safe, and this all end with more peaceful resolutions be found.

I'm sorry it's really difficult for you and hope for a peaceful solution.

Stay safe Offthepath Of course this isn't normal for anyone and hasn't been normal for nearly a year for anyone living near the northern border since Hezbollah started this war.

And let's hope for better times very soon 🙏

It's horrible - and what do we even say to children when they ask "Why?". How do we explain in an age-appropriate way what is happening when it's hard enough for us as adults to find the words? I hope you and your family stay safe.

I am appalled that my post expressing my sympathy for your situation has been deleted. Im deeply sorry that you are in this position and hope that you and your family stay safe.

@SharonEllis
That's nuts but sadly not a surprise from my experience this evening.
YES this poster was being gaslighted that it's normal to live under Hezbollah rockets because no sympathy for Israelis.

Speaking of reality and balance, what exactly do folks expect of the Palestinians.

Prior to Oct 7th Gazans lived under a military occupation and a brutal blockade.

Israel controls their land borders, sea borders and their airspace, to the point where Palestinian fishermen can go no further than 6Km, under threat of being shot.

Israel controls what goes in and out of Gaza, be it food, medicine and basic supplies. To the point where Israel bans items like musical instruments, fabric, notebooks, sewing machines, toys, jam, cumin, coriander, pasta, pens, rope, newspapers, spare parts for tractors and fishing boats.

What right does Israel have to do that?

Meanwhile they watch as their fellow Palestinians and family members on the West Bank (who of course they are not allowed to visit) are subjected to daily humiliations, while marauding, armed settlers terrorize them, attack them, set fire to their olive trees, all under the protection of the Israeli state, while the state steals their land, bulldozes their homes, and continues to build settlements on stolen land to the point where 750,000 Israelis and growing, now live on Palestinian land.

Again all backed and funded by the Israeli government. And if the Palestinian dares to complain about the armed settlers or their bulldozed home, they are arrested.

All this against the backdrop of frankly maniacal statements by government ministers of the Knesset.

And posters have the cheek to say they are not occupied.

And expect them to just take all this and behave like a good Arabs?

And yet Hamas manages to smuggle in all the parts to make rockets.

There are two sides to every conflict and, yes, there's a lot that Israel does wrong.

But, man, the Palestinians mess up again and again and again as well. Whether it's rejecting the partition plan or not establishing a state in 1948 or the 3 nos of Khartoum, or getting chucked out of Jordan or starting the Lebanese civil war or starting the 2nd intifada or voting in Hamas and supporting attacks on Israel or the October 7th massacre of civilians.
Yeah, so there's also much better choices Palestinains could have made over the last 80 years.

Or when Rabin signed a peace treaty with Arafat, and was promptly assassinated by an Israeli.

Sure, all the fault is the Palestinians.

@Offthepath so frightening for you all and so hard to reassure children when you are so scared yourself. I hope this nightmare ends for you soon

She didnt say it was all tbe Palestinians fault did she? She literally said that Israel had got things wrong
There's a lot that Israel does wrong.

I don't think any reasonable person could argue with this statement

there's also much better choices Palestinains could have made over the last 80 years.

Particularly when it comrs to voting in Hamas. We are all agreed that Hamas is a terrible organisation that none of us support right?

And there is no way that anything in that post could imply that the assassination of Rabin by an Israeli could the fault of the Palestinians. It would really help if you tried not to misrepresent what was said.

"She didnt say it was all tbe Palestinians fault did she? She literally said that Israel had got things wrong
There's a lot that Israel does wrong.
I don't think any reasonable person could argue with this statement"

An understatement, but yes I appreciate the acknowledgment.

"there's also much better choices Palestinains could have made over the last 80 years.
Particularly when it comrs to voting in Hamas. We are all agreed that Hamas is a terrible organisation that none of us support right?"

Sure, but it's not a get-out clause for treating the Palestinians in Gaza and the WB as less than human.

"And there is no way that anything in that post could imply that the assassination of Rabin by an Israeli could the fault of the Palestinians. It would really help if you tried not to misrepresent what was said."

I never said it was. That would be ridiculous.

You literally said 'all the fault is the Palestinians'.

You misinterpreted that sentence, or perhap it was my colloquialism.

It was meant sarcastically "but yeah, sure, all the fault is the Palestinians"

aid workers were killed in the last few days strikes

https://www.unhcr.org/lb/18817-unhcr-mourns-killing-of-beloved-staff-member-and-contractor-staff-in-lebanon.html

Support for is Israel, from a moral pov has all but gone now. No one, globally, supports their actions now and pretty much everyone is against them.

The supply of unconditional and unlimited military hardware from the US and their other allies, (us included) does support them though, it’s a large part of where we’re at, and it needs to stop.

Dismayed at those arguing that somehow the slaughter is somehow necessary or justified- it never is and now the world has now turned its back on Netanyahu’s Israel.

This is because of their actions, Netanyahu’s actions.

Not because of antisemitism.

It has been a slaughter; in Gaza, and now in Lebanon, dozens of civilians and children killed in the name of collateral damage. Shame on anyone who thinks this is acceptable or inevitable or is in any way the way forward.

One cannot kill their way to peace. That seems to be what Israel (govt) foolishly think they can do. They will fail.

And for all the intelligence of the Israeli govt, they don’t have the wisdom or capacity to see this fact. Bloodshed will follow only more bloodshed.

I only hope a new and different administration with stronger leadership in the US can withhold further munitions stop this spiralling any further. It may be beyond that now.

Of course it's sad that civillians die in a war but it's a bit of a stretch to call a cleaner working for a company contracted by UNHCR an aid worker, somehow implying he was targeted when doing his duty when that's entirely not the case.

@Lonelycrab
It's all very well pontificating about how this is all Israel's fault but Hezbollah are the ones who have been friing a barrage of missiles into Israel on a daily basis for almost a year now. You seem to be absolving them of any responsibility and think that Israel should just sit back and suck it up.
While you can potentially point fingers at Israel with regards to the Gaza situation and how/why it all developed (I certainly do), Israel withdrew from every last cm of Lebanon (as certified by the UN) so Hezbollah has no reason to drag Lebanon into a war through attacking Israel other than serving their Iranian paymasters who seek the destruction of Israel and want a long and protracted war of attrition.

My post was in response to someone putting all the blame on Israel. And I literally said Israel has got a lot wrong along the years too. But there's a theme that somehow the Palestinians are as pure as the driven snow and victims with no agency when, in reality, the current situation is as much of their making as it is of Israel's.

Of course Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli after extreme right inflammation to derail the Oslo accords. But let's not forget that Hamas was blowing up buses at the same time to acheive the same result and, thanks to them, Bibi was elected. The extreme on both sides didn't want Oslo (and at least it was a process for all its flaws) to succeed and they got their way.

It's common knowledge that a stronger Hamas was considered by Netanyahu in Israel's interest as a counter balance to the PA and to prevent the move to a Palestinian State so he didn't act to prevent its funding or vigorously strengthen the PA to coutner it. Even without 7/10, this was a short-sighted "strategy" if you can even call it that. But clearly Hamas and the Israeli right scratch each other's backs.

I mean, it's into conspiracy theory territory to suggest that Israel or Netanyahu knew what Hamas was planning, Israel thought Hamas was quiet and looking to do better for Gazans through allowing more trade and work permits for Israel and that the real threat was Hezbollah in the North. Obviously they were totally wrong (arrogance has a lot to answer for) and misjudged how murderous Hamas actually was and how little regard they have for ordinary Gazans and improving their lot in life - they are fodder to be sacrifcied for the greater good in their eyes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

This may be the reason why there is a blockade of Gaza. It’s a long list.

From the guardian

US only country that can end war, Lebanon says, as number of displaced climbs to 500,000
Lebanon’s foreign minister has suggested the US is the only country that can end the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and expressed disappointment in President Joe Biden’s response so far. In remarks reported by Agence France Presse, Abdallah Bou Habib, said of Biden’s speech to the UN on Tuesday:
It was not strong, it is not promising, and it would not solve the Lebanese problem … We are still hoping. The United States is the only country that can really make a difference in the Middle East and with regard to Lebanon.
Making a valedictory address to the UN general assembly, the US president, Joe Biden, urged Israel against an all-out war, but blamed the Iranian-backed Lebanese militia for an unprovoked attack on Israel after 7 October and for continuing to strike Israel since.