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Conflict in the Middle East
WatTyler · 10/06/2024 14:03

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Hatfullofwillow · 10/06/2024 14:10

When Netanyahu invoked Amalek it was pretty clear what his intentions were. If you're citing a biblical Commandment that calls for complete destruction, about killing every single one of them, including babies, their property, animals, wiping them from memory then it's a fairly big hint of your plans.

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 14:14

Yes in fairness the government of Israel said that they intended to commit genocide and then have done that. And are doing that. It's not complicated.

Hatfullofwillow · 10/06/2024 14:18

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Israel were killing Palestinians long before Hamas existed in Palestine, in fact they're the reason Hamas took root there. They're killing Palestinians in the West Bank, Hamas aren't running the West Bank.

You're the only one who is pro-terrorist on this thread, it's just you're defending a terrorist state.

Ifallelsefailschocolate · 10/06/2024 14:37

There is no moral justification for attacking healthcare workers, hospitals, schools , aids workers , journalists and more. There is no moral justification for the mass killing of Palestinian people, including thousands of children and depriving Palestinian people of the basic things they need to survive.

Dulra · 10/06/2024 14:38

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Pro-terrorist propaganda of the type sadly common on this site.

We are commenting on the actual words spoken by members of the Israeli government, no propaganda needed.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/06/2024 14:44

They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

And this does not come from someone who is himself a terrorist all be it an Israeli one?

Is this not an Israeli official inciting genocide?

Liv999 · 10/06/2024 15:36

Hatfullofwillow · 10/06/2024 14:18

Israel were killing Palestinians long before Hamas existed in Palestine, in fact they're the reason Hamas took root there. They're killing Palestinians in the West Bank, Hamas aren't running the West Bank.

You're the only one who is pro-terrorist on this thread, it's just you're defending a terrorist state.

100%

AlbertVille · 10/06/2024 15:38

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 11:29

That's fine by me. Those were his comments - not mine by the way. Don't you take Biden seriously?

However - my link is just as valid as yours. The difference is that I do not make comments like I cannot take your comments seriously if I do disagree with you.

I take Biden seriously as he is pretty much responsible for dictating Israeli policy.

I take Biden seriously as he is pretty much responsible for dictating Israeli policy.

I take Israel seriously as it is pretty much responsible for dictating Biden and USA policy.

fixed that for you.

Livelovelaugh028384 · 10/06/2024 16:08

We see what we're being shown by social media about Palestine and the genocide being committed. Just the idea of knowing there's a lot more that we haven't seen is scary and something I can't fathom. We know Israel was treating Palestine like dirt way before October 7. We know they imprisoned 100s and 100s of children, innocent men and women some pregnant doing horrific things to them. If that isn't a country filled with hate and people can't see that I worry for you. Your lack of empathy and humanity is lost.

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 17:33

Dulra · 10/06/2024 13:55

With two external links but no comment on the original link or post, so a pretty pointless contribution

Very rude to be honest.

Scirocco · 10/06/2024 18:01

The article has direct quotes advocating for the mass murder of Palestinians, feeding into the "no innocent Palestinians" trope, encouraging people to direct similar views at the West Bank, etc.

In the other corner, Biden goes "Nu-uh".

Which is hardly a convincing argument.

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 19:25

Yes but there is a polite way to speak to post and an impolite way.

anotherlevel · 10/06/2024 19:42

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 14:14

Yes in fairness the government of Israel said that they intended to commit genocide and then have done that. And are doing that. It's not complicated.

It seems that it js for some.

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 19:45

anotherlevel · 10/06/2024 19:42

It seems that it js for some.

It really is not as simple as this though is it.

Anyway, I will leave and once again emphasise that I agree with Biden.

Bye.

anotherlevel · 10/06/2024 19:47

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Vivi0 · 10/06/2024 20:47

This isn’t genocide.

The loss of life and the suffering is beyond words or even comprehension.

But that goes for every war. There isn’t anything going on in Gaza that isn’t endemic to every other war. This is what war looks like. Dead civilians and dead children are the cost of war.

Yes, it’s horrific. Of course it shouldn’t be happening. War should never happen. But it is and it does.

War is not genocide.

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 20:53

@Vivi0 This 100% as the intent does not exist.

AlbertVille · 10/06/2024 20:56

How can you possibly say the intent doesn’t exist? Literally How?

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 20:56

Vivi0 · 10/06/2024 20:47

This isn’t genocide.

The loss of life and the suffering is beyond words or even comprehension.

But that goes for every war. There isn’t anything going on in Gaza that isn’t endemic to every other war. This is what war looks like. Dead civilians and dead children are the cost of war.

Yes, it’s horrific. Of course it shouldn’t be happening. War should never happen. But it is and it does.

War is not genocide.

The Geneva conventions disagree.

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 21:01

AlbertVille · 10/06/2024 20:56

How can you possibly say the intent doesn’t exist? Literally How?

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/israel-is-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

I will leave it to the distinguished senior fellow, Danielle Pletka and Sahar Soleimany to make my argument.

n the months since Hamas’s October 7 attacks, there has been a full-force campaign to frame Israel’s counteroffensive in Gaza as a genocide. And it’s not just an accusation pushed by the extreme Left. This is a campaign endorsed by foreign governments, international organizations, the media, and even elected U.S. officials. But why? It’s not simply that Israel’s actions in Gaza fail to meet the legal standard of genocide, but that other wars on a single population — Bashar al-Assad’s on Syrian Sunnis, the Chinese Communist Party’s on Muslim Uyghurs — stir no similar outrage. There’s a name for that double standard: antisemitism.
“Genocide” has a definition in law. For Israel’s actions to meet the legal criteria of genocide, there must be evidence of more than just a high casualty count or the leveling of property. Per the United Nations, genocide requires an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.” As statements by Israeli officials have made clear, their intentions in Gaza are limited to eliminating Hamas’s operational capacity and bringing home hostages. (Hamas, however, has openly declared its intent to wipe out Israel and the Jewish people. Just read their charter.)
Any proper debate about genocide first requires understanding the casualties in Gaza, because whom Israel targets — and how — determines the legitimacy of the war effort. The only source of data on casualty figures has been the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health, which claims that 70 percent of the more than 30,000 people who have died are women and children. Despite mounting evidence that the health ministry’s numbers are statistically impossible, they continue to be legitimized by the U.S. government and widely distributed by mainstream media, and have even been used to discredit the Israel Defense Forces’ own statistics on eliminated Hamas combatants. West Point’s John Spencer, the premier expert on urban warfare, has repeatedly stated that the precautions Israel has taken to prevent civilian harm throughout this war — including during last month’s raid of al-Shifa Hospital, in which the IDF killed or captured hundreds of Hamas fighters — not only surpasses that of any military in history, including our own, but goes above and beyond what is required by international law.
Has Israel erred in service of its aims? Absolutely. The recent accidental killing of seven World Central Kitchen aid workers is a tragedy, and those who played a role have rightly been held accountable. But such is the reality of all war; miscalculations are made, the wrong people get killed. And that is especially true in a war against an enemy that strategically embeds itself within civilian sites for the express purpose of maximizing death tolls among its own people. Yet that hasn’t stopped widespread accusations against Israel of systematically targeting civilians. And while some may be ignorant of the relevant statutes, the Geneva Conventions and other elements of international humanitarian law are clear: The standard for the death of civilians is the word “willful.” No credible source has presented evidence of Israel’s willful targeting of Palestinian civilians.
These distinctions matter for putting genocide charges into the context of antisemitism. The term “genocide” was coined for the specific purpose of naming the systematic, state-sponsored persecution of the Jewish people during the Holocaust. Recognition of the special nature of Jewish suffering has given way to frequent accusations that Jews seek to benefit from an exclusive claim on victimhood, that they have weaponized the Holocaust as a way to insulate Israel from all criticism and moral obligation, and have turned the Nazi genocide into a get-out-of-jail free card. This manipulation of the Holocaust and the concept of genocide is textbook antisemitism, according to the widely adopted International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition. That it is being used by, among others, deniers of the Holocaust only deepens the irony.
The world must not ignore the sadistic pleasure taken by those charging Israel with genocide. It is an attempt to neuter Jewish trauma in order to wage political war against Israel. By positing a moral equivalency between what was done to Jews then and what the Jewish state is now doing in its defensive war against Hamas, the atrocities of the Holocaust are delegitimized, and Jews can no longer reap the supposed illicit advantages granted by their history. Indeed, the false charge of “genocide” is what has allowed critics to continue excusing Hamas’s terrorism as a justifiable act of resistance, desecrating Jewish storefronts with swastikas and slurs, or holding signs saying “Hitler would be proud” with total impunity.
During the Rwandan genocide in the 1990s, at least 60 percent of Rwandan Tutsis were murdered. In the 1970s, some 99 percent of Cambodian Viets were murdered by the Khmer Rouge. More than two-thirds of Jews in Europe were murdered by the Nazis. Although the number of Arabs resident in British Mandatory Palestine in 1948, the year the State of Israel was created, is the subject of heated debate, even Palestinian sources admit that the Palestinian global population has increased nine-fold since then.
Hamas began this war with the brutal and deliberate targeting of innocent Israeli civilians. What has resulted in Gaza today is a terrible toll on both the Jewish people and Palestinians alike. This tragedy is, however, demonstrably, legally, and morally not genocide. To suggest that it is constitutes another crime of antisemitism against the Jewish people.

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AhNowTed · 10/06/2024 21:01

Vivi0 · 10/06/2024 20:47

This isn’t genocide.

The loss of life and the suffering is beyond words or even comprehension.

But that goes for every war. There isn’t anything going on in Gaza that isn’t endemic to every other war. This is what war looks like. Dead civilians and dead children are the cost of war.

Yes, it’s horrific. Of course it shouldn’t be happening. War should never happen. But it is and it does.

War is not genocide.

That argument only holds if you think this is a "war".

It is not.

On one side a US funded arsenal of fighter jets, 70,000 bombs (more than dropped in WW2 on London, Hamburg and Dresden combined), tanks, a trained military and unlimited arsenal.

The other side has primitive rockets.

Vivi0 · 10/06/2024 21:03

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 20:56

The Geneva conventions disagree.

How so?

keenforhelp · 10/06/2024 21:06

AhNowTed · 10/06/2024 21:01

That argument only holds if you think this is a "war".

It is not.

On one side a US funded arsenal of fighter jets, 70,000 bombs (more than dropped in WW2 on London, Hamburg and Dresden combined), tanks, a trained military and unlimited arsenal.

The other side has primitive rockets.

It is ridding a terrorist regime of its terrorist battalions - it's a war against the.

The relative might of the parties are not relevant to the definition of war.

ConnieCounter · 10/06/2024 21:06

Vivi0 · 10/06/2024 21:03

How so?

Read the genocide convention and see.