Over 210 massacred at Nuseirat refugee camp by IDF

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https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-bombs-refugee-camp-200-dead-hamas-gaza-6402337-Jun2024/

The footage coming out of this this absolutely sickening. So many precious children killed. I've never seen anything like it. Poor innocent babies.

It's great that they managed to rescue 4 hostages (though it seems they killed others) but the human cost of that for Palestinians (and potentially other hostages) is absolutely obscene and not acceptable.

Pretty much exactly what I was told yesterday.

It’s a pervasive view, sadly. Gazans just aren’t quite humans anyway so ah well nevermind.

Anyone elses childrens lives are worth less than mine to me.

Well for those that said that it speaks volumes about their worth, anyone who has lost their humanity in that way are not worth your energy, focus on those who are

An excellent piece by Adam Shatz in the London Review of Books. @LRB

"The belief that the best way of honouring the memory of those who died in Auschwitz is to condone the mass killing of Palestinians so that Israeli Jews can feel safe again is one of the great moral perversions of our time."

“What we are witnessing in Gaza is something more than the most murderous chapter in the history of Israel-Palestine: it is the culmination of the 1948 Nakba and the transformation of Israel into a nation guilty of genocide.”

www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n12/adam-shatz/israel-s-descent

Which is why in that situation, the people planning and implementing operations need to have a degree of detachment from the situation, to be able and willing to balance competing priorities and obligations in a way that a parent desperate to rescue their child would not be able to.

Which is why you as a parent would not be let anywhere near the operation because you could not think rationally or objectively. I am talking about those that could and the decision they made.

As a parent though their deaths would haunt me even if my child was saved.

This post expresses it so well. I feel like I've said I'm so sorry so many times and it doesn't feel like enough. I cannot believe what we are all watching unfold, I had no idea that ordinary people could be so dead to the pain of others. This conflict has been shocking on so many levels 💔

Do you have a link to back up this conspiracy theory?

“Let's make peace with our neighbors.
I want my daughter to come back.
They also have captives, there are also mothers crying there. We are two peoples with one Father, let's, for the sake of these things, please make a real peace."

Yaakov, Noa’s father

I agree
As a parent I am glad Noa and the others are back with their families and as a Parent I am horrified at the children who have lost their lives in the attacks by Israel on Gaza

Why do you think they hide hostages in refugee camps it's politics

Obviously they put them there as Human shields
But I find it hard to believe that Israel with all their resources and experience couldn't minimise any civilian casualties if they chose to

Very moving.

They could also maximise it if they chose to. Interesting.

Gaza is a tiny strip of overpopulated land. Wherever the hostages are hidden will be close to civilians.

Hamas' human shields strategy is to maximise civilian casualties. They deliberately put Palestinian civilians in harm's way in order to have as many innocent Palestinians as possible killed and injured and then frame it as a planned massacre by the IDF. It's despicable.

Protection? Surely anywhere outside a refugee camp has been bombed into obliteration

I think if you shoot into a crowd to try and kill your enemy it very much IS the responsibility of the shooter. You can choose not to do this.

When everywhere is being bombed how can anyone be shielded? IDF are killing everyone being next to innocent civilians is no protection.

frame it as a planned massacre by the IDF. It's despicable.
It is a planned massacre it is not being framed as one

@Nautiluss Everywhere in Gaza is in harms way. Hamas might like the casualty figures, but they are not moving people around. The IDF moves people around, and seem to attack even the areas people were told to go to.

A tiny strip of over populated land where over 60% of housing in now uninhabitable. It doesn't leave a whole lot of places to go really.

And slaughtered 200 people and injured 400 more. Good for you to know your lives are worth more than those 600 affected today.

This is semi rational response.

There can be innocent adults.

That's exactly the point, there is no shielding. Hamas' strategy is not to shield or protect, it's to deliberately maximise civilian deaths and injuries by hiding hostages and their senior personnel targeted by the IDF in areas where civilians have been told to go. And then having a pitched battle amongst those civilians- there was no attempt at surrender or retreat, Hamas engaged with bullets, RPGs and grenades. The loss of life and the toll on Palestinian civilians from both the IDF and Hamas' actions is appalling.