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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 08/06/2024 16:14

This is such welcome good news amongst all the horror. What a relief for their families

Sausagenbacon · 08/06/2024 16:15

Wonderful news.
Interesting that they were kept in civilians houses

Words · 08/06/2024 16:20

Wonderful news.

DownNative · 08/06/2024 16:31

LastTrainEast · 08/06/2024 16:10

Actually you're quite wrong, Julili. There are very many people who have been demanding that Israel stop rescuing hostages because it was upsetting Hamas.

The last thing they wanted was for some to go home. They said as much.

Correct.

This photo was taken in the United States a few days to a week ish ago. See the message on her phone?

Hamas put not only the hostages at risk of death, but also Gazans who also support them in big numbers.

After all, Hamas is a destructive death cult with a human sacrifice ideology. From their own lips, they require the blood of Palestinians.

Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike
keenforhelp · 08/06/2024 16:33

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 16:04

I think you can judge the physical condition of someone, in this case the hostages, just by looking at them. Does that mean Hamas treated them well psychologically and mentally? No, of course not. The news printed photos. Pictures are worth a thousands words.
Not only they were in grave danger at the hands of the terrorists but they were in danger of being killed by the constant bombing and other actions the IDF/Israeli government have implemented in Gaza.
I am pleased they have been realised for their sake and that of their loved ones.

@Auvergne63 was this really necessary?

" ...they were in danger of being killed by the constant bombing and other actions the IDF/Israeli government have implemented in Gaza".
The IDF have been trying to eradicate Hamas and bring the hostages home because Hamas refused to release any!!!

This is a celebratory thread about a hostage rescue in almost impossible conditions and there still appears to be a post suggesting that the IDF would have been responsible for hostage deaths when HAMAS TOOK THEM AND REFUSED TO RETURN THEM.

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EmpressOfTheThread · 08/06/2024 16:37

I don't know why people don't know the basics. Genuinely, do people not know how all this started?

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 16:56

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Silence1 · 08/06/2024 16:57

Fantastic news and excellent they appear in good physical because they have been in jeopardy every single day since the 7th October. I believe an IDF soldier died in their rescue.

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 16:59

EmpressOfTheThread · 08/06/2024 16:37

I don't know why people don't know the basics. Genuinely, do people not know how all this started?

I am fully aware of the "basics", thank you.

DownNative · 08/06/2024 17:00

This Israel Defense Force hostage rescue mission was codenamed Operation Summer Seeds.

EmpressOfTheThread · 08/06/2024 17:01

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 16:59

I am fully aware of the "basics", thank you.

Did I say you weren't?
Loads of people don't seem to understand how this all started - with the pogrom on Oct 7th. They then seem to blame only one side.
Thank you.

Appalonia · 08/06/2024 17:02

Not RTFT but I saw this earlier on Twitter and I was so relieved. Watching the footage of that young woman being kidnapped and the pleading look on her face was one of the worst images of that terrible day. I've often wondered what happened to her and I'm so pleased she's alive and well.

Silence1 · 08/06/2024 17:02

DownNative · 08/06/2024 16:31

Correct.

This photo was taken in the United States a few days to a week ish ago. See the message on her phone?

Hamas put not only the hostages at risk of death, but also Gazans who also support them in big numbers.

After all, Hamas is a destructive death cult with a human sacrifice ideology. From their own lips, they require the blood of Palestinians.

Has the interpretation of that photo been verified? I would hate you of all people to be falling for propaganda.
I look at it and wonder what the photograph is in her other hand. Could it be Palestinians - maybe her own relatives - killed and "they're not coming home" refers to them. It's a perfectly logical explanation and a counter protest that you might expect to see in such circumstances.

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 17:06

Silence1 · 08/06/2024 17:02

Has the interpretation of that photo been verified? I would hate you of all people to be falling for propaganda.
I look at it and wonder what the photograph is in her other hand. Could it be Palestinians - maybe her own relatives - killed and "they're not coming home" refers to them. It's a perfectly logical explanation and a counter protest that you might expect to see in such circumstances.

It does indeed look to me like she is showing a photo of people who may well never get to come home.

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 17:09

EmpressOfTheThread · 08/06/2024 17:01

Did I say you weren't?
Loads of people don't seem to understand how this all started - with the pogrom on Oct 7th. They then seem to blame only one side.
Thank you.

I don't blame "only one side". Hamas is responsible for the atrocities of 07/10; the Israeli government for their actions since then, including the appalling treatment of the hostages' families, which is well documented.

EmpressOfTheThread · 08/06/2024 17:12

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 17:09

I don't blame "only one side". Hamas is responsible for the atrocities of 07/10; the Israeli government for their actions since then, including the appalling treatment of the hostages' families, which is well documented.

Exactly. That's my understanding.
My point wasn't to you anyway it was to another poster vexing that people didn't know how it all started.
I responded with agreement because I've seen that too. Some people do not acknowledge how it all started. I was agreeing with her.
Then you commented on my point to her.
Thank you.

NecessaryNC24 · 08/06/2024 17:15

Just seen this. What wonderful news ❤️❤️❤️, well done to those IDF forces.

God knows what they've seen and had to endure during their captivity I just hope they can start to try and heal with their loved ones around them again.

It makes me wonder though why so many people online were gleefully saying they all must be dead by now 🤷🏻‍♀️.

NecessaryNC24 · 08/06/2024 17:18

Sausagenbacon · 08/06/2024 16:15

Wonderful news.
Interesting that they were kept in civilians houses

Interesting but hardly surprising given Hamas love to hide blend in among their people.

DownNative · 08/06/2024 17:22

Some details are in. 👇

“One of the most complicated hostage rescue missions in history.”

The operation to rescue the hostages from Nusayrat was named "Summer Seeds" and is defined by the IDF as one of the most complex ever for hostage rescue.

The hostages were held in a heavily civilian populated area, above ground, in buildings of 3-4 stories.

The forces stormed the two separate targets where the hostages were held, with Noa held on the first floor and Andrey, Shlomi, and Almog on the third floor of another building, hundreds of meters apart.

Hamas moved the four hostages from apartment to apartment, and the concern was that if the forces only stormed one building, the terrorists would escape with the hostages in the second building.

The Air Force gathered intelligence from the air in the last few days, and the IDF and Shin Bet created conditions to reach the targets without the terrorists shooting the hostages first, which was key to the operation's success.

The models built by the Yamam (Israel's counter-terrorism unit) reminded senior military officials of the models established for the Entebbe operation, with buildings, streets, and small areas for practice.

The main problem was in the apartment where Andrey, Almog, and Shlomi were held, and where Yamam fighter Arnon Zamora was killed.

The rescue took place under heavy fire, and during the disengagement, dozens of terrorists with RPGs and machine guns ran through the alleys towards the targets.

As a result, uninvolved Gazan civilians were also killed in the dense fire exchange. The military said, "The difference between success and failure in such an operation is a hair's breadth, and we relied on exceptional technology from the Intelligence and Shin Bet. Without ground activity and maneuvering in the Gazan area, it would not have been possible to succeed in such operations."

The IDF also noted that the rescue was made possible by Commander Zamora's heroism. "Shin Bet and Intelligence Directorate fighters entered the lion's den in the refugee camp and dismantled houses in areas where we hadn't maneuvered," they said. "This is bravery on the level of Judah Maccabee. The operation was planned for weeks with drills, rescue plans, and fires executed, alongside scenarios of cases and responses."

The forces simultaneously broke into the two houses with special weapons developed for the operation. Immediately after extracting the hostages, the forces began to withdraw while fighting dozens of terrorists, but a vehicle with the three hostages got stuck and came under heavy fire. Division 98 forces jumped in to assist in the vehicle rescue battle, and rescue helicopters entered deep into the strip in daylight.

Three brigades participated in the rescue battle, during which Zamora was also evacuated to the hospital: Brigade 7, Paratroopers, and Kfir with Flotilla 13, along with other special forces. "The fire plan that was executed was focused but extremely powerful," the IDF added. "The cooperation with Shin Bet and Yamam rose to several levels into a single operational system, under the direction of the Shin Bet chief and the Chief of Staff. Four keys to the operation: deception, surprise, determination, and power."

To maintain the secrecy of the operation, thousands of soldiers in the brigades that participated in the rescue were unaware of the nature of the operation before it happened to preserve the element of surprise.

Only a handful of commanders were exposed to the operation yesterday, at various levels. These forces were positioned at the correct launch points without revealing the secret.

During the operation, soldiers were also lightly injured, mainly from shrapnel.

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Humdingerydoo · 08/06/2024 17:24

NecessaryNC24 · 08/06/2024 17:15

Just seen this. What wonderful news ❤️❤️❤️, well done to those IDF forces.

God knows what they've seen and had to endure during their captivity I just hope they can start to try and heal with their loved ones around them again.

It makes me wonder though why so many people online were gleefully saying they all must be dead by now 🤷🏻‍♀️.

The narrative of them all being dead suits a certain type of person, the type that believes Israel is 100% evil and doesn't care about the hostages and just wants to kill Palestinians. Reality and facts often don't matter to these types of people.

keenforhelp · 08/06/2024 17:25

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Excuse me? I used capital letters to emphasise the essential point that Hamas took the hostages and refused to return them and it could not possibly be the IDF's fault if they were to be hurt!

Also - what stunt are you referring to @Auvergne63

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keenforhelp · 08/06/2024 17:26

NecessaryNC24 · 08/06/2024 17:18

Interesting but hardly surprising given Hamas love to hide blend in among their people.

Yup more evidence, to me at least, of the possibility of using the civilians and hostages as human shields. But just my opinion of course.

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PeasfullPerson · 08/06/2024 17:28

I’m so pleased these people get to go home, especially Noa, but my heart is breaking for all the people caught up in this that won’t get to do that today, whose lives are valued less in this political game.

I wonder how many more seeds this operation planted.

keenforhelp · 08/06/2024 17:30

PeasfullPerson · 08/06/2024 17:28

I’m so pleased these people get to go home, especially Noa, but my heart is breaking for all the people caught up in this that won’t get to do that today, whose lives are valued less in this political game.

I wonder how many more seeds this operation planted.

Thanks @PeasfullPerson .

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PeasfullPerson · 08/06/2024 17:32

From Al Jazeera

Israel will use images of rescued captive ‘to justify the killing’

Palestinian Deputy Ambassador to the UN Majed Bamya has said that as people rejoice for the reunification of families in Israel, the world must not forget that more than 100 Palestinians have been killed.
“Scores of civilians and many children were killed today in the Israeli operation and they may not be mentioned or will be a footnote in today’s news at best,” he said in a post on X.
“As you smile seeing a father finally embracing his daughter in Tel Aviv, shed a tear for the father having to bury his daughter in Gaza,” he added.
He said that there is a way for Palestinian and Israeli families to be “reunited in life not in death”.
“That is the success we should all be striving for. After eight months of massacres, Israel will use today’s images to try and justify the killing of 36,000 Palestinians and the destruction of the lives of 2.3 million Palestinians. Don’t let it.”

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