"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

@Scirocco I don't doubt that at all and I really hope it didn't come across like that? What you're saying is essentially my whole point (except for Jews obviously). But as minority groups I think we all agree that ultimately we believe that it's us that should determine what does and doesn't constitute hate against us?

Muslims aren't allowed to decide what Islamophobia is. We aren't allowed to say what hatred and persecution of us looks like. When we report things, they're dismissed. When we point things out, we're told other people don't see them or that we're missing the 'context' or that there must be a good reason.

This whole paragraph I could have written word for word, except for Jews. We're dealing with the same bullshit essentially.

Yep, it's very similar. Same bigots, same ignorance, same establishments.

Still going ….

It's a real shame that, while so many people are saying how we would like others to ask us questions, find out more about our different faiths and cultures and the difficulties we experience, someone who has actually asked questions about something she didn't know about previously is being responded to with nastiness.

Well I don't believe being critical of Israeli government actions is antisemitic and yet time and time again, we are told it is.... IT ISN'T and I don't care what label I am given I won't stand silently by and watch children murdered and starved in the thousands for fear of a label I do not deserve.

Antisemitism isn't anything said that upsets a Jewish person. It's a hatred and blaming the group as a whole for the actions of some.

If I'm supporting something I probably shouldn't would it be OK to say any criticism of that support is discrimination?

I am more annoyed at the framing of this by trash media like The Express. We already know there are media pushes by the powers that be to try and boost IDF sympathies and suppress Palestinian support, so yeah, not too impressed with that.

Well I don't believe being critical of Israeli government actions is antisemitic and yet time and time again, we are told it is.... IT ISN'T

You have either not read or wholly misinterpreted what I wrote, possibly on purpose. WE ARE NOT TELLING YOU IT IS ANTISEMITIC TO CRITICISE THE ISRAELI GOVERNEMNT. I genuinely don't know any Jewish person that thinks that that is antisemitism. And that you have misinterpreted what I said, suggests this is why you think you're being accused of being antisemitic just for criticising the Israeli government, when you're actually not. @Mummy2024

Antisemitism isn't anything said that upsets a Jewish person.
Who said this - there you go putting words in our mouth again.

I give up.

You miss understand my point on the issue of who decides what constitutes antisemitism. Jewish leaders and large groups already decided what constitutes antisemitism and I have accepted and am glad to see that safety net In place.

However some individual people decide to use the word when ever someone disagrees with a political decision. It is those people that I am talking about when I say they cannot decide to label me antisemitic.

If the day ever comes when I am blaming the whole group for the actions of a few or I treat a Jewish person with hostility simply for being Jewish, then I will deserve that label.( That day will never arise by the way) I actually feel discriminated against alot to be honest in these posts. I have been labelled even in your post when absolutely nothing I have said has shown a hatred or blamed the group as whole.

Apologies didn't realise I wasn't allowed a right to reply when I've been referenced

I am sick and tired of non Jews telling us what is and what is not antisemitic. You don't walk in our shoes.
Thank you to non Jews on this thread who do support us unequivocally.

Well I'm sick of being labelled antisemitic because people don't like that I don't support the tactics being used in palastine.

When I am guilty of something in the legal definition of antisemitism then the label will be deserved. Labelling a person just to because you don't like what they are saying is unfair and is actually discriminatory against me.

You’ve actually done it! You’ve actually said you’re more bothered by a tabloid reporting it than the attempt to suppress the film itself!
truly, this is beyond parody. Satire is redundant. These people satirise themselves

Where do you think anti semitism is legally defined?

Reply is fine. Disingenuousness gets called out. If you don’t like it, the solution is in your hands.

@Mummy2024 I actually feel discriminated against alot to be honest in these posts.

Someone disagreeing with or taking issue with what you say is not discrimination. So if you're quite prepared to make provocative comments you need to pull on your big girl pants because people might tell you they don't like or agree with what you're saying.

I think it's fair to say @Dulra genuinely didn't know this about Jewish schools.

You need to differentiate between Jews as a people and the actions of the Israeli government then. As a non Jew you do not get to tell me, a Jew, what antisemitism is.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this as countries have different legal definitions.

Excuse me? Where in a single post have I blamed the Jewish people for Israeli government decisions? I've actually said the opposite.

I thank you to stop discriminating and leveling false accusations at me.

Remember how we had a Home Secretary and then more MPs try to shutdown all Palestinian protests and paint them as Hamas lovers?

Yeah, you skipped over that part. But please, do go on about this film and how important it is while 30k+ Palestinians are dead.

Where do you think it’s defined in English law? Or, if you live elsewhere, in the law of your country?

Oh I see. So the existence of the tabloid press and the fate of the Palestinian people are both moral outrages, but rampant anti semitism on the streets of the uk isn’t worthy of mention.
i mean wow. Just wow. Weird wild stuff.

Also, the Home Secretary didnt
try and shut the marches down. She had no power to do so as she was well aware. She may have criticised them; that’s allowed.

Hey babe, wake up. The new "Do you condemn Hamas?" gambit just dropped.

Just not even making sense now.