"Brilliant moment pro-Israel protesters get their own back on pro-Palestine mob"

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Pro-Israel supporters have taken to the streets after a cinema was vandalised with graffiti for planning to show a film about the Nova festival massacre at the hands of Hamas terrorists.

Pro-Palestine activists sprayed the Phoenix Cinema in East Finchley, London, with the message "say no to artwashing". In response, members of the Jewish community and campaigners against anti-Semitism are holding a demonstration outside the picturehouse.
Music could be heard blaring, including Elton John's I'm Still Standing, as smiling pro-Israel supporters waved the Israeli flag in a show of defiance.
A tiny band of pro-Palestine protesters are on the scene, however they are vastly outnumbered.

The volunteer, who wished to remain anonymous, told The Telegraph: “It’s just an outrage. People who are survivors of this massacre are coming here and they could have been confronted with red graffiti that honestly looked like blood.
“One of the people here knows someone who survived the massacre and she was coming tonight. Imagine the trauma if she saw this. People from the community have gone together to clean it up.
“It claimed that the film was artwashing - but it’s not. It’s footage from the festival. It shows what happened. There’s no agenda.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1902945/phoenix-cinema-finchley-israel-protest

I agree that excessive fear and anger are dangerous, that is why we have this conflict.

However I very strongly disagree with you about showing the reality of what is happening.

Both fear and anger can be positive motivating forces, there is an evolutionary reason for us having these emotions.

You must also agree that people shouldn’t share graphic information about October 7th? Or is your argument actually one sided?

Israel's killed more children over last 6 months than the total claimed by all conflicts worldwide over past 4 years, which includes Russia-Ukraine & all the others! & this article is 2 months old, another 2 months of infanticide has transpired since then. But the real issue is whether the two aitches in my username are some sort of code. EXCERPT: 'Amid reports of fresh Israeli airstrikes in Gaza overnight into Wednesday, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) said that more children have been killed there in recent months than in four years of conflict worldwide.
“This war is a war on children. It is a war on their childhood and their future,” said UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini, who described as “staggering” the latest Gaza health authority data indicating that at least 12,300 youngsters have died in the enclave in the last four months, compared with 12,193 globally between 2019 and 2022.'* *

@HectortheHelicopter

Your wall of text trick, is quite clever.

Makes it less likely that people will fully read & understand your points.

Also makes it harder for moderators to spot the hate speech when it's buried in the middle.

Repeated spamming of web content also keeps the thread active at a point where you get maximum exposure.

Thanks for teaching me something new about how users like yourself game the forum!

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No - I’m definitely not against information being shared and I have never said we should not all be properly informed about what is happening on both sides ( painful though it is) . I’m really talking about the polarisation we seen in public protests here in the uk.

You mean 'wall of facts'.

My original comment said “Obviously these statistics are horrific and people should know about them. But, if we stick to the thread topic, it’s important that the horror of what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t cause violence, mistrust, fear and anger for people living here. The links above demonstrate how anger and fear is being spread in communities here. That doesn’t help the people in Gaza or the hostages”.
The link I was referring to was one which showed two groups of protesters engaging in an aggressive confrontation- separated by police. I’m sorry if it wasn’t clear what link I was referring to. I’m

You picked out this as the cause

‘it’s important that the horror of what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t cause violence, mistrust, fear and anger for people living here.’

I repeat my point. It is not the horror of what’s happening, it is the governments support of it.

No - it’s not the information that’s the problem. Or the government. It’s the fact that we have extremists on both sides increasing fear and anger in this country.

Edited to add - I’m focused on the protests here as that is the thread topic

I shared that link & it was disproving the OP's contention that the pro-Israel protest in Finchley was some sort of benevolent outburst, rather than a mostly far right baying mob, which the footage I shared plainly shows. You can bet your bottom dollar that pro-Pali violence would be jumped upon by the MSM, but if you want to see the co-opting of Zionism by the far right, then we have to rely on independent media.

I'm not sure what the post you quoted said, but I'm guessing it wasn't to thank me for attempting to answer their question about the likely origin of a username.

Yes- I’m not disagreeing with you . There are extremists on both sides and they are using this conflict to increase division. My point was that extremism and polarisation of communities here is not going to help the Palestinians

This a nicely considered, well thought through reply and one that alludes to security issues.

Your last sentence is absolutely nail on the head, especially from the perspective of terrorism, security and counter-terrorism.

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You guess right, no thanks there at all just insults and accusations levelled against us which is why I reported it

"You really are a Zionist piece of shit".

I think I can guess what @somewhereovertherain really means by Zionist here.

If you wanted rid of my post, why did you make sure you repeated parts of it?

To make sure it was read without the full context?

You guys are PROS at gaming this forum. I'm learning so much from you.

Thank you!

I responded to it before I decided to report it. When I read it for a second time I was quite upset with what you were accusing me of and didn't want my username attached to it.

You guys are PROS at gaming this forum.

There are no games, we are all individuals responding to posts as individuals. I've no idea why you think there's some kind of conspiracy going on. Maybe if you drop that assumption you won't be so angry and paranoid about our responses

Why would you presume they mean something racial by it? Zionism is an ideology, shared by some Jews & some Gentiles alike, just like antizionism. I could call both Rishi Sunak & Keir Starmer, both Donald Trump & Joe Biden 'Zionist ~%£$*', none of whom are Jews. Calling someone a 'communist' or a 'neoliberal' or a 'Scientologist' isn't a racial slur is it? Conflating Zionist & Jew is antisemitic, which is precisely what you're doing unless you have additional evidence about the poster you're making insinuations about.

I am pleased to see you don’t believe it is the information that is the problem.

We do however disagree on the actions of our government, because the protests are about putting pressure on the government to recognise the suffering of Palestine and respond in a fair way.

The government have without sufficient evidence withheld funds from UNWRA, and have not yet restarted them despite many countries already doing this.

The government have said they will not recognise the ICC’s decision to consider a warrant for Netanyanhu and others.

The government have decided to continue supplying (a small amount but it’s the principle) weapons to Israel despite the ICJ upholding a case regarding genocide, and telling them they need to stop the offensive in Rafa.

The government have with their own words demonised Pro Palestine Protestors and created further division.

I'm not sure you can call responding to posts 'gaming'.

Anyway, things seem to have been said about or to me that I've missed. So, to summarise: a question was asked about someone's username; I looked up the phrase in a search engine and found that it's a character from a children's book; I shared that information. No conspiracy, no hidden agenda. If that sharing of information is offensive in some way, you are of course able to report it.

I'm going by experience. Generally when someone calls someone else a Zionist piece of shit it's clear what they really mean.

And I never mentioned "something racial".

Well, it's not been my experience, especially recently. Most pro-Pali protesters nowadays are very clued up about the crucial differences between a Jewish nationalist/supremacist ideology, Judaism & Jews themselves. This understanding has only been enhanced by the many brilliant antizionist Jewish historians & campaigners all over independent media. What I've found more alarming in the last 6 months is the amount of white British 'pro-Israel' boosters who, with very little probing, admit to actively desiring the mass murder of as many Muslims as possible, regardless of Hamas membership. Only yesterday I met a young white Englishman who gleefully declared that the IDF should 'kill as many children as possible, all of them'. I don't think you'd have to dig very deep at that Finchley protest to find similar sentiments.

It does get confusing. If we throw Rastafarianism into the mix too, Zion is the Promised Land in Ethiopia.

Clearly you're not that clued up if you think Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology.

Of course it should! And any talk of it not doing needs to stop. We are, where we are it's just land, is it worth millions of lives?? I don't know what zionism even is or stands for but what I do know is the Isreali population deserve a homeland and so do the Palestinians and until lives matter more than fortune and lands, millions of innocent people on both sides will die. God would not want this! He would not want his children slaughtered due to the greed of a few, it all needs to stop and an agreement reached and stuck by, by both sides. God will not look fondly upon anyone choosing to kill innocents for lands and riches.