Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

[Scirocco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

I’m not sure a thread can be limited to one view

This is an open message board, people can post what they like you're not the thread police.

No but the OP was clearly trying to derail the thread by going totally off topic

Sorry, but I do find it upsetting and offensive to have someone who is one of the most significant figures in my faith (and the faith of others here) referred to in this way.

'Charlatan' is a very loaded and negative word implying dishonesty, deceit, etc.

@Dulra
What? Jesus didn't turn water into wine!!!!!

@keenforhelp
Oh nooooooo. What - he couldn't walk on water?

I'd say those comments about Christianity - with their multiple exclamation marks and elongated nooooooo - are more sarcastic than @onegrumpyoldwoman 's reply.

So let's not shut people down over disrespect to one religion whilst simultaneously mocking another.

(personally I'm more in favour of mocking than of sanctimonious shutting down - but whichever we go with, I think it needs to be consistent. Edited to say - if it upsets @Scirocco , let's go with the just not doing it)

Apologies @Scirocco I was raised by quite strict catholic parents, the Catholic faith imo has not been a good friend of Irish people and I have become quite dismissive of it as a result. I do respect others people's beliefs but I don't share them and I have become very cynical about all religions and how they like to control their believers.

I didn't mean to offend.

I guess my response was mocking the faith I was raised (indoctrinated) into and my contempt for it now. We all have our positive and negatives experiences of the religion we were raised with, which influence our views of it now.

I don't think we should be establishing state lines based on where one person lived a couple of millennia ago anyway 😅

I think the problem is that everyone is deciding when history starts based on what suits their own personal beliefs and wishes.

I'm all for a two state solution according to more or less the 1967 lines (I assume it won't be the most logical thing in the world to necessarily follow them exactly and that relatively minor, mutually agreed, upon land swaps, like for like, might on occasion be more sensible), but it's utterly depressing to think that Hamas or their like might still be involved in ruling a new Palestinian state.

Let’s not mock anyone’s faith please - regardless of one’s own view.

Putting down our own culture, and assuming that any culture other than our own is better, is a peculiar failing of Western thought (especially common on the left, I think) .

The Noble Savage trope is an old fashioned example. Declaring that the problems in the Middle East are all 'The West's fault' is a modern equivalent.

We should wary of it as incorrect thinking. And be aware that people will tend to believe us. It's like going into an interview and only commenting on your faults, instead of your strengths.

I'll criticise my own thanks, I'm in no position to criticise anyone else's and I don't.

It's not only yours though.

I'm really sorry I don't understand your response. Are you saying I'm wrong to criticise my faith? I'm not talking about culture

No you said “mock” . Criticise away but I do object to people mocking my faith . Keep your mockery to yourself.

And you're in as good a position as anyone to analyse any religion and decide whether you think it's true, and whether it's tenets promote a society in line with your values or not.

You’re not “criticising” - you’re mocking. Big difference.
And it’s not your faith - you don’t believe it . Fair enough but don’t mock it in a public forum.

It's my experience of it. I really think we are in a dangerous situation if we can't question and criticise aspects of our own faith. I don't think anyone should blindly accept or follow anything. As I said I respect others people's beliefs but they are not mine I can only speak for me.

You were mocking- not criticising
You said “I guess my response was mocking the faith I was raised (indoctrinated) into and my contempt for it now.

This is to the people who have said I have derailed the thread by posting an article about the recognition of Palestine.

Do keep up.

Oh and by the way, why is this a Pro-Palestinian thread? Who has designated it as such? Who are the thread police here - the Pro-Palestinians?

@Dulra Your contempt for my religion has got nothing to do with this thread and I have no interest in your contempt for my religion or religions in general.

Ok mocking as I said I can mock my faith and my experience of it, that is personal to me and I am entitled to do it. I would like to think other people's beliefs are stronger than being shook by my views.

Because I posted an article about the recognition of Palestine?

And because I embarrassed you as you didn't know England was in Britain and Northern Ireland in the UK?

I have no interest in your contempt for my religion or religions in general.
Well stop asking more and more questions so, I'll gladly shut up.

I can't remember if I have ever asked this question before or if I've always chickened out for fear of offending or upsetting people. But seeing as this thread is turning into a bit of a shitshow anyway I may as well ask and hopefully move the conversation on a bit!

What happens to refugees if a Palestinian state is formally established? How long do they remain refugees for?

I realise the poster earlier who tried to shit-stir by saying Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestine will probably claim they're still refugees until they're back in their grandparents old houses in Israel, but that's not a reasonable expectation at this point.

It’s not about “beliefs being shook” don’t be so silly. It’s about showing respect for differences. Of course if you feel so “entitled “ then carry on mocking my religion - ( despite it not being the thread topic and the fact that no one is interested in your prejudice against my religion.)