Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

It's a publication that has been hostile and downright xenophobic to Ireland for decades, but sure, you know better.

The UK version isn't even sold here. They have a watered down Irish version which has pretty weak circulation figures.

But yes, you carry on lecturing Irish people about our own country and its attitudes. Surely you know better than those of us who have lived here our whole lives. 🙄

Jesus was also Palestinian, as Palestine was the name for the entire province he was born, lived and died in. Judea was a region within Palestine. The name given to the region by successive waves of imperial conquerers don’t answer the ‘who is indigenous’ question though that underpins most of Israel’s claim to being indigenous to the land unlike the ethnic group who are now called Palestinians, and thus reclaiming their land from historical invaders.

In recent years, genetic studies have demonstrated that, at least paternally, the Jewish and the Palestinian ethnicities are related to each other.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004390000426

Genetic studies on Jews have shown that Jews and Palestinians are genetically closer to each other than Jews are to their host countries.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/

A 2020 study on human remains from Middle Bronze Age Palestinian (2100–1550 BC) populations suggests a significant degree of genetic continuity in Arabic-speaking Levantine populations (such as Palestinians, Druze, Lebanese, Jordanians, Bedouins, and Syrians), as well as several Jewish groups (such as Ashkenazi, Iranian, and Moroccan Jews).

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30487-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420304876%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

In this study, Palestinians, among other Levantine groups, were found to derive 81–87% of their ancestry from Bronze age Levantines, relating to Canaanites as well as Kura–Araxes culture impact from before 2400 BCE (4400 years before present); 8–12% from an East African source and 5–10% from Bronze age Europeans. Results show that a significant European component was added to the region since the Bronze Age (on average ~8.7%), seemingly related to the Sea Peoples, excluding Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jews who harbour ~31–42% European-related ancestry, both populations having a history in Europe.

It seems in the argument of we were on this land first, neither takes precedence if you look at genetics rather than the Bible.

A hell of a lot more than left wing papers - so lots more people who don't support Anti- Semitism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation

Yes he was born in Bethlehem which was then Judea, which is now the West Bank so obviously is now Palestinian territory

We're talking about Ireland dear.

I trust you're aware that Ireland is not part of the UK.

Probably not if she reads the Daily Fail 😂

I’m not either of the faiths relevant but the one I grew up with did focus on Jesus as central

I’m intrigued by the posts as I had not heard this debate

This article came up, a bit quoted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/28/easter-jesus-not-palestinian-jew/

What does this mean? It means that Jesus was not “Palestinian.” Nor was he a “Palestinian Jew.” This is so for a simple reason: There was no political entity called “Palestine” in his lifetime. If Jesus was born in Bethlehem, he was born in Judaea as a Jew. He certainly died as one, under Rome’s heavy hand — the political condition that led to the two Jewish revolts.

It was Roman colonizers who changed the name of Judaea to Palestine.

Back to this do you think Israel would accept a Palestinian state if Hamas were not governing?

Of course not governing or influencing or eradicating show it can be a spectrum

I don’t think it’s impossible to get there but with Hamas as a key power it probably is

Just to throw this into the off-topic Jesus discussion: Islamically, Isa (pbuh) was a Muslim.

No, you've missed my point.

I was paraphrasing previous posters who think it's reasonable to say this about Palestine. Another poster on this thread said something along the lines of it is a major concern for Israel that there could be terrorism in the future if Palestinians are allowed to elect their own government.

Israel elected genocidal maniacs as their government which is clearly having absolutely devastating repercussions for the people of Palestine.

I was just making the point that that kind of attitude can go both ways.

If you are genuinely concerned about vote rigging in the region you should look up Hilary Clinton's remarks around the 2006 election, which were advocating for vote rigging.

Here's the link and quote: “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election | | Observer

Well, some people believe He did, just as some people believe that Muhammad had a flying horse called Buraq.

There was no political entity called “Palestine” in his lifetime.

The Romans had a political entity called the Syria-Palestina Province and the Roman Governor of Syria-Palestine had a Roman Prefect governing every client kingdom or region within the province.

Pontus Pilate was the Prefect for Judea, and oversaw King Herod’s rule in Judea during Jesus time.

So Jesus was born in
Town: Bethlehem
Client Kingdom: Judea
Province: Syria-Palestina
Empire: Roman

After Judea rebelled, the Romans took away their client kingship and limited self-rule in the 2nd century AD and from then on it was
Town: Bethlehem
Province: Syria-Palestina
Empire:Roman

To say there was no political entity called Palestine is to say that Judea was an independent kingdom not within any Roman province, when it was.

This is typical of the Roman Empire. After all, all the client kingdoms here like Belgae or Durotriges were still kingdoms within in the Roman province of Britannia. The political structure didn’t skip from client kingdom name and ruler right to the Emperor in Rome anywhere in the Roman Empire.

😁Jesus/Isa (pbuh) belongs to all of us - Jew, Palestinian , Muslim and Christian ❤️ He would be on the side of those who are suffering/ marginalised or ostracised whatever their religion or ethnicity (as he was when on earth).

Well, some people believe He did,
He was a master of illusion a charlatan of his time.
Apologies but I am always shocked what people in the 21st century still believe despite all our scientific advancements

I have my doubts because they have only once accepted a treaty that called for a Palestinian state no matter which Palestinian group is in power. That was Rabin accepting the PLO (who did their fair share of terrorism) and he ended up assassinated by the far right for it in 1995.

That has a deterrent effect on the current Israeli PM and presumably any future PM when you consider how right wing Israeli politics is these days.

I quite agree.

You said British my dear - are you aware that England is British?

Plus Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Or didn't you know that?

It’s not my words but those of

Paula Fredriksen, Aurelio professor of scripture emerita at Boston University, is a historian of ancient Christianity and the author of “When Christians Were Jews”and “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.”

I find the posts surprising and I think she has a point with this:

‘Jesus made an appearance on social media as a “Palestinian” around Christmas, and the meme has flourished since then.’

So you didn't know that England was in Britain either nor that Northern Ireland is part of the UK?

I’ve not read the whole thread but just a note in case it’s not been said. Spain was meant to recognise it today but I’ve read it’ll now be on 28th.

I second this.

😁 if you're on the opposite side to the Daily Mail you know your doing well.

Shameful headline though. Most media outlets try and disguise their bias a little bit ..

@onegrumpyoldwoman

"Well, some people believe He did, just as some people believe that Muhammad had a flying horse called Buraq."

Are you being sarcastic with this response? Because it is incredibly offensive if you are.

Quite 🙏