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Conflict in the Middle East

UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

x.com

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:39

@Myb

You've lost me there?

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:39

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:34

Off you trot!

The UK isn't a charity. We do what we want, and that includes stripping extremists of their visas (and nationality if necessary). We don't have to have anyone in our country who doesn't align with our national values. Out national values do not include mass rape.

But they appear to include killing of kids though, over 10k+ dead and British government is quite happily sending more weapons over. National values - what a joke

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:39

@Myb

You've lost me there?

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

Ponderingwindow · 17/05/2024 18:42

Anyone speaking out or protesting today has a legitimate claim to the importance of free speech. They may have suspect motivations, they may not. We have no way of knowing, so we must give people the benefit of the doubt from an official standpoint.

anyone who was out showing their support for the oct 7th attacks aligned themselves with a terrorist organization. There was no grey area at that point. That has consequences.

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2024 18:43

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:31

Except she did none of that. From the video posted above, she said something along the lines of she is glad it has come to this...she didn't mention hamas specifically and there is a big crowd behind her, reasonable to assume that she is in a protest and that comment could be attributed to that...I.e. I'm glad to see people finally speaking up for the Palestinians. It's just that she so happens to be speaking for a side that the Brits, Americans couldn't care less about. So I'm actually not surprised at the responses on this thread. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy has been badly exposed.

Oh, did you not actually listen to what she said? Maybe watch it again. She was quite clearly talking about the events on October 7th and not pride in people speaking up for Palestinians. Pride in Palestinians who invaded Israel and raped, murdered, maimed, kidnapped Israelis and people of other nationalities who happened to be there at the time. So no, your assumption is not reasonable. So yes, she should be kicked out. It's just a shame it's taken them this long that she's presumably managed to finish this whole academic year.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:43

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

Which sovereign countries had the UK invaded to bring 'democracy and freedom of speech'?

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:44

Yes it has in the past as have others and that was the norm then

However if you come to the UK then don't come and start causing trouble

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 18:44

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:22

Erm UK is taking part, maybe get your facts right. What is Royal Navy doing in Mediterranean sea? and UK is shipping arms to Israel as I write tbis - this is as bad as it gets.

And to educate you further- the history didn't start on 07/10 so you can't say it was unprovoked - Israel has been subjugating Palestinians since around 1948...and guess who helped create that state back in the 40s?

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :)

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The UK supplies around 1% of Israel's Arms. The Navy is monitoring terrorist activity in the area and in particular supporting the transfer of aid to Gaza. 'Taking part' is a major, ideologically contrived, stretch.
The only people who argue that Ukraine provoked Russia are Putin & his acolytes. I think we can see where you're coming from.

Marjoriefrobisher · 17/05/2024 18:44

The principle of freedom of speech clearly and obviously does not require us to permit people to remain in our country when their presence is not conducive to the public good.
if she wishes to sympathise with terrorists she may do so from home.

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:49

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:42

UK is a self proclaimed champion on human rights and "freedom of speech" so much so that this country has invaded sovereign countries to bring "democracy and freedom of speech" to others...and lol when someone finally does speak in your country that you don't like, you revoke the visa...are you still lost?

When you put it like that, it sounds like a terrible country, an aggressive and unsafe country.

I'm sure the student wouldn't want to love or study in such a place, and will welcome the chance to get away from it.

As you say, you "can't have it both ways" after all :)

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:50

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:43

Which sovereign countries had the UK invaded to bring 'democracy and freedom of speech'?

Libya - the most recent one. The man responsible for the deaths of 10s of 1000s is currently your Foreign Minister. Do keep yourself upto date.

queenofarles · 17/05/2024 18:52

I’m all for peaceful protests , maximising SM outlets to highlight the Genocide , showing the true extend to what is happening in Gaza and West Bank , to expose the atrocities of Netanyahus brutal crimes, but I could never agree with someone who sees that Oct 7 is not a crime.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:53

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 18:44

The UK supplies around 1% of Israel's Arms. The Navy is monitoring terrorist activity in the area and in particular supporting the transfer of aid to Gaza. 'Taking part' is a major, ideologically contrived, stretch.
The only people who argue that Ukraine provoked Russia are Putin & his acolytes. I think we can see where you're coming from.

1% is still a supply to a country that has killed over 10k+ babies alone - and that's by definition supporting the action of your "allies". And the navy isn't exactly doing a good job of monitoring terrorist activity as the kids and innocent are being killed continuously- over 30k dead. You sound like you're quite proud of their conduct.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:56

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2024 18:43

Oh, did you not actually listen to what she said? Maybe watch it again. She was quite clearly talking about the events on October 7th and not pride in people speaking up for Palestinians. Pride in Palestinians who invaded Israel and raped, murdered, maimed, kidnapped Israelis and people of other nationalities who happened to be there at the time. So no, your assumption is not reasonable. So yes, she should be kicked out. It's just a shame it's taken them this long that she's presumably managed to finish this whole academic year.

You need to listen to it again - she did NOT specifically mention 07/10.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:58

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:49

When you put it like that, it sounds like a terrible country, an aggressive and unsafe country.

I'm sure the student wouldn't want to love or study in such a place, and will welcome the chance to get away from it.

As you say, you "can't have it both ways" after all :)

The student has done a fine job in exposing the hypocrisy. Next time when you stand up to give a lecture on freedom of speech, do take a look in the mirror first :)

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:59

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:50

Libya - the most recent one. The man responsible for the deaths of 10s of 1000s is currently your Foreign Minister. Do keep yourself upto date.

Tobias Billström is responsible for 10s of 1000s of deaths?

Myb · 17/05/2024 19:01

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 18:59

Tobias Billström is responsible for 10s of 1000s of deaths?

Is that the best you can come up with?

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2024 19:01

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:56

You need to listen to it again - she did NOT specifically mention 07/10.

I mean, no. She didn't call it "07/10". "For the first time, they were actively resisting". How is that possibly referencing the protesters 🤦🏻‍♀️ Just accept that she was proud of terrorists for what they did. She is also far from the only person who celebrated, so not sure why you're trying so hard to deny it.

Tauranga · 17/05/2024 19:02

ChickyBricky · 17/05/2024 14:43

With such "pride" and "joy" in the events of 7 October, she'll feel much more at home in a place where others openly share her viewpoint. It must be awful for her feeling she is under unfair pressure to curb her enthusiasm.

This is how I feel.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 19:04

Myb · 17/05/2024 19:01

Is that the best you can come up with?

Please explain how he is responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths. You made the claim, so back it up.

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 19:08

She never even mentions Oct 7th. She's talking about the Palestinian resistance to the current Israeli onslaught. I guess they're expected to just dig their own graves and lie down and take it?

Myb · 17/05/2024 19:08

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 19:04

Please explain how he is responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths. You made the claim, so back it up.

I did. Britain invaded Libya, and as a direct result of the invasion, 10s of 1000s died.

Fladdermus · 17/05/2024 19:11

@Myb do you see what Hamas did as 'active resistance'? Is it something to be proud of?

Humdingerydoo · 17/05/2024 19:11

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 19:08

She never even mentions Oct 7th. She's talking about the Palestinian resistance to the current Israeli onslaught. I guess they're expected to just dig their own graves and lie down and take it?

She is talking about Palestinians in Gaza "for the first time not being on the defence" ie them having attacked Israel. Stop pretending she's not talking about how proud she is of the terrorists for the massacre. She is.

Kalevala · 17/05/2024 19:13

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:25

I knew posters like you would come along and say this..
How does supporting Palestinians and their right to a country, self defence equates to terrorism?

Rape isn't self defence.