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Conflict in the Middle East

UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

236 replies

NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

x.com

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 17/05/2024 16:14

She was very stupid to say on national TV that she was ' full of joy' as a result of what Hamas were doing. She can't say she was ' taken out of context' when her words were broadcast for everyone to hear. She said that what she said was misinterpreted to imply she approved of the killing of civilians. But unless her interpretation of ' civilians' is the same as Hamas- anyone under 18 or over 65- she is talking ribbish. If that is her interpretation of civilians- despite her being Australian- then she doesn't have a leg to stand on. She has breached the terms of her visa. She's doing a Law degree, so that'll be one bit of law she's learnt for free- don't openly breach the conditions of your visa, or you'll get deported.

Teentaxidriver · 17/05/2024 16:16

TabithaTimeTurner · 17/05/2024 14:58

Pride and joy indeed 😡🤬
She poses a ‘National threat’ so yes, good riddance I say 👋

Absolutely. Although of course, the British taxpayer will be funding her ‘legal team’ and our supine courts will no doubt back down. She’ll inevitably be applying for residency here in due course, despite finding our values and freedoms so abhorrent.

MonetMonetMonet · 17/05/2024 16:20

NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 14:52

There is no such thing as freedom of speech here in this country....the double standards and hypocrisy of UK has been exposed for everyone to see.

Compared to where?

Quite a few countries apparently

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

TextureSeeker · 17/05/2024 16:23

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/05/2024 16:28

Finally, something this government has got right. She can have all the freedom of speech she wants in her own country. Britain also has freedom of speech and is saying "Fuck off you terrorist sympathiser, we don't want you here."

NoOneFellOffTheirChair · 17/05/2024 16:35

Totally the right call.

CwmYoy · 17/05/2024 16:36

TabithaTimeTurner · 17/05/2024 14:58

Pride and joy indeed 😡🤬
She poses a ‘National threat’ so yes, good riddance I say 👋

This. Absolutely this.

CranfordScones · 17/05/2024 16:51

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right..."

It's not an absolute right. Like all rights, it comes with responsibilities. You can't advocate or incite unlawful acts.

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 17:09

Precipice · 17/05/2024 14:52

Freedom of expression is a right. It is article 10 of the ECHR. This article is qualified: "The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

It is generally considered that consequences for supporting proscribed terrorist organisations are acceptable and necessary in a democratic society.

Thank you. Every article has a derogation in it afaik.

She very publicly supported and celebrated an atrocity, she is not the only one. Many of them were UK citizens. The problem is a little bigger than her.

But yes, her hatred is not welcome in the UK.

queenofarles · 17/05/2024 17:19

I don’t agree with what she said , it’s stupid and insensitive , it’s one thing to object to the killings of tens of thousands , but celebrating the killings of So many innocent lives is cruel and inhumane , seeing she’s not British it’s probably up to the Foreign office. I’ve seen many foreign students visas revoked for far less.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:22

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 16:12

Thats because the case of Russia invading Ukraine unprovoked is completed different to Israel responding to an act of war from Hamas. It is in fact the opposite of a double standard. Putting aside the question of 'genocide' which has not been adjudicated on, UK is not taking part in Israeli action in Gaza.

Erm UK is taking part, maybe get your facts right. What is Royal Navy doing in Mediterranean sea? and UK is shipping arms to Israel as I write tbis - this is as bad as it gets.

And to educate you further- the history didn't start on 07/10 so you can't say it was unprovoked - Israel has been subjugating Palestinians since around 1948...and guess who helped create that state back in the 40s?

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :)

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:25

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I knew posters like you would come along and say this..
How does supporting Palestinians and their right to a country, self defence equates to terrorism?

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:26

Minniemooose · 17/05/2024 15:46

I’m glad she’s had her visa revoked! Ta-ta 👋

Yes go away

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:31

CranfordScones · 17/05/2024 16:51

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right..."

It's not an absolute right. Like all rights, it comes with responsibilities. You can't advocate or incite unlawful acts.

Except she did none of that. From the video posted above, she said something along the lines of she is glad it has come to this...she didn't mention hamas specifically and there is a big crowd behind her, reasonable to assume that she is in a protest and that comment could be attributed to that...I.e. I'm glad to see people finally speaking up for the Palestinians. It's just that she so happens to be speaking for a side that the Brits, Americans couldn't care less about. So I'm actually not surprised at the responses on this thread. As I said earlier, the hypocrisy has been badly exposed.

Precipice · 17/05/2024 18:31

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :) No, one cannot. That is the argument of Russia, but it is not reasonable. Espousing it requires the belief that Russia is entitled to maintain a sphere of influence of countries around itself, i.e. that Russia is entitled to keep neighbouring countries partially under Russian control. This argument denies countries which neighbour Russia full sovereignty. Sovereign countries may pursue their own foreign policies based on their own interests, which includes joining international alliances.

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:34

Off you trot!

The UK isn't a charity. We do what we want, and that includes stripping extremists of their visas (and nationality if necessary). We don't have to have anyone in our country who doesn't align with our national values. Out national values do not include mass rape.

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 18:35

It seems freedom of expression in this country only applies if you have the correct amount of melanin in your skin.

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:35

Precipice · 17/05/2024 18:31

And one can reasonably argue that the President of Ukraine provoked Russia by threatening to join Nato :) No, one cannot. That is the argument of Russia, but it is not reasonable. Espousing it requires the belief that Russia is entitled to maintain a sphere of influence of countries around itself, i.e. that Russia is entitled to keep neighbouring countries partially under Russian control. This argument denies countries which neighbour Russia full sovereignty. Sovereign countries may pursue their own foreign policies based on their own interests, which includes joining international alliances.

We are at risk of going off topic here, but if you wish to have a discussion on sphere of influence on the global stage, by all means open a new topic, we can have a discussion.

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

If we went abroad these days we have to be mindful of other cultures and the way they do things

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

And keep our heads down

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:37

suburburban · 17/05/2024 18:36

If we went abroad these days we have to be mindful of other cultures and the way they do things

Yes you do, but they generally don't shove free speech or democracy down your throat either :) you can't have it both ways you know

SharonEllis · 17/05/2024 18:37

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:25

I knew posters like you would come along and say this..
How does supporting Palestinians and their right to a country, self defence equates to terrorism?

Supporting Hamas is unequivocally supporting terrorism.

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 18:37

JustMaggie · 17/05/2024 18:35

It seems freedom of expression in this country only applies if you have the correct amount of melanin in your skin.

Whose colour chart are you working to? Dulux or farrow and ball?

DontCheetoTheCheetah · 17/05/2024 18:37

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:37

Yes you do, but they generally don't shove free speech or democracy down your throat either :) you can't have it both ways you know

Well we can actually. This story kind of proves that

quantumbutterfly · 17/05/2024 18:39

Myb · 17/05/2024 18:35

We are at risk of going off topic here, but if you wish to have a discussion on sphere of influence on the global stage, by all means open a new topic, we can have a discussion.

You don't need to go into such depth for GCSE, relax.