Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

You're one of only two posters I know of on this board who is very pro-Palestinian, very critical of the Israeli government and the war in Gaza, but has spoken out against anti-semitism previously, without being asked to, so I don't think you need to worry about me or anyone else thinking you don't mean it. Thank you for standing with us.

Fingers crossed other posters actually learn from this and stop posting about how it's the fault of the bad Jews that anti-Semitism is once again on the rise🤞🏻🤞🏻

so I don't think you need to worry about me or anyone else thinking you don't mean it. Thank you for standing with us.
agreed

Ok so you don't think that Jews need to speak out against Israel in order to avoid a rise in anti-Semitism? In that case, I'm sorry for misinterpreting.

@Bicyclethief - I'm not a military strategist but if Israel wanted revenge (which is feels like they wanted more than they wanted the hostages back) then, God, even a month of that kind of onslaught they launched would have been enough. They could have stopped there and said, and there'll be worse than that to come if you don't surrender and give back the hostages. Instead they've earned the world's revulsion in a way that has sadly totally overshadowed the horrors of October 7th for many and feels grossly disproportionate. I've no idea what they way out of this is as of course neither does it feel right now to make concessions to the Palestinian people because that would feel like rewarding Hamas outrages like October 7th.

Personally I am pretty angry that the Israeli government has behaved in a way that shows utter disregard for the diaspora and has put us in the line of fire of extremists and in a very difficult position ethically for many, but I guess that was the least of their concerns.

The world was silent during the holocaust - the only good Jew being a dead Jew and do go quietly pls without too much of a fuss - so why expect it to be different now . There wasn’t an Israel then so heaven knows what the anti semites expect we could have done to avoid being killed then ?
Be less Jewish , be more like “us “ , dress less Jewishly , just stop being so Jewish

It absolutely bloody stinks . No point engaging , really there isn’t . You’ll never change their minds and you just come banging up against the oldest hatred in the world time and time again just wearing different disguises

"They hated us for being stateless and now they hate us for having a state"

Not sure where I saw that, but it rings true.

Be less Jewish , be more like “us “ , dress less Jewishly , just stop being so Jewish

Nothing’s changed😞pre holocaust it was the age of the Haskala (the enlightenment movement), and the Jews were so assimilated they were said to be “more German than the Germans”. Those Jews were murdered with all the rest.

We were not Aryan, now we are white oppressors. To the communists we were capitalists and to the capitalists we were communists.

@EllaDisenchanted yes yes yes. That’s why there’s no point engaging because it’s wasted energy . You’ll never change it . It’s called the world’s oldest hatred for a reason .

I understand why it feels helpless and this thread has been quite heartbreaking. But it is still possible to change minds. I was once a classic 'left/progressive' sort of person and part of that was being anti-Israel. Of course I never considered myself antisemitic - I genuinely had too many Jewish friends. But I came to realise that I was being antisemitic, thanks to slending time with a couple of (non-Jewish) people who really opened my eyes & I've been educating myself ever since. I don't know whether you can change minds on MN but people talking to each other in real life, step by step can still make a difference. I hope so anyway.

I'm definitely not an expert, but I would have thought that Israel's response is not primarily about revenge or hostages, but about destroying as much of Hamas, its fighters & its infrastructure as possible so that they cannot repeat Oct 7th.

If it were just about punishment or genocide as many like to claim, I suspect the already tragically high civilian death toll would be many many times higher. (Shocking as that sounds. )

Usual suspects with their usual tropes disguised as helpful comments

Not sure they're "disguised" at all 😅

What changed your mind?

More money is being invested into Prevent and money is being taken away from inter faith work.

I’m sorry this must be scary news for the Jewish community. I’m really surprised that we hear very little from the government on plans to unite us all and stop the rise of hate, which is being directed towards people since this conflict began. All I hear about is criminalising and telling people off, with this tending to be directed at the wrong people in my
opinion, and I hear little about bringing us all together.
I would like to say I hope this news doesn’t rob the Jewish community of its peace, and that people refuse to be intimidated, but it’s easy to say that, and less easy to do. And yes I realise people shouldn’t have to do that, so please don’t misinterpret or twist what I’ve written, which I did with good intentions.

Some sort of Hug a Houthi initiative.

I think what made me change my mind was realising that no one would call for any other people taking attack after attack after attack and then the brutal atrocities of October 7th to just put up with it and accept it. In no other country or conflict are people willing to support islamic extremist terrorist groups over another people as far as I'm aware of.

Also the wilful inability to see and acknowledge that it is in the absolute foundational ideology and manifesto of Hamas that all Jews should be slaughtered or driven out of Israel ie. there is no ability to come to a peaceful diplomatic solution whilst Hamas is in charge of Gaza because they do not want that.

I also find myself asking people well what if it was on our shores what would you actually feel or want to do regardless of what the history of the situation was if you had a people who wanted you dead and driven out of your home (regardless of whether people think it should be your home or not based on events 70+ years ago)?

Plus the fact that these people do not march over genuine intentional genocides that happen all over the world yet in when it involves Israel they can find such passion and rage. Eventually I have to boil it down to that the only difference is that it is Jews and the sad, unavoidable conclusion that yes, that is driven by anti-semitism even if they genuinely cannot see that.

I would not have seen or said this in my 20's or 30's.

Isis tried to commit genocide against the yazidi.

And the poor Kurds.

I feel a bit aghast that a thread about a planned attack on british people has been derailed (sorry for my part in it). They were targeting a community on the basis of ethnic and religious identity. It should be pretty easy to condemn that full stop.

I don’t know why we haven’t been helping them more. Still being bombed by the turks still left struggling with the camps of isis followers. It’s a shitty straw they’ve drawn and everyone should be a little bit more grateful towards them.

What do you think were the factors and events that led up to this? And how do you believe that these factors and events can be managed?