The USA says Israel may have breached international law with American weapons in Gaza

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68984999

There are concerns that the report was watered down, but even so, it's a new level of criticism to say these issues formally in a report at this level.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/25/us-officials-israel-bonds-ethics

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/25/israel-gaza-war-biden-letter

That letter was horrifying. UI genuinely can't understand why so many people can't seem to grasp that what Hamas did was terrible, keeping the hostages was terrible but also Israels response is terrible and shouldn't be supported. Israeli children being killed by Hamas was unforgivable but so is Israels shooting of children in the head and starving of newborns. The Drs say this is happening everyday - “Every day I saw babies die. They had been born healthy. Their mothers were so malnourished that they could not breastfeed, and we lacked formula or clean water to feed them, so they starved," and “Every single signatory to this letter treated children in Gaza who suffered violence that must have been deliberately directed at them. Specifically, every one of us on a daily basis treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head.”

This isn't what war is, war isn't deliberating executing children, war isn't starving newborn babies to death. Not supporting Israel doesn't mean that you support Hamas. It means you support humanity.

Thank you for sharing.

Likewise, thanks for sharing.

US medics who volunteered in Gaza demand arms embargo over ‘unbearable cruelty’ inflicted by Israel

Doctors and nurses say death toll is more than 92,000, describe gruesome injuries and a sick and traumatized people

In terms of a solution - why doesn't Egypt comply with its obligations under the African Union regarding refugees.

Egypt has violated international law and the African Unions Refugee Convention

If Egypt complied with international law they can allow refugees over the border at Rafah into Sinai. There is lots of space. They can stay there whilst Israel takes out Hamas without any civilians being present in Gaza. Then Gaza can be rebuilt and then the refugees return.

Why doesn't anyone call for Egypt to do something?

The only option any of you call for is for Israel to stop, forget their hostages and just let Hamas carry on regardless of what they do just because they hide behind civilians.

Nobody here is suggesting forgetting hostages or letting Hamas continue. On the contrary, posters have consistently expressed concern and compassion for the hostages and their families, and have emphasised that everyone wants the safe return of the innocent people abducted as well as justice for them and their families. Posters have been clear that Hamas carried out horrendous atrocities and cannot continue in their previous activities.

When people are saying we need a ceasefire and peace process, that's because we see that two wrongs don't make a right. People can't defeat terror and hate by becoming the ones raining death on innocent people, witholding aid, etc. If you aren't sure why a different approach is needed, rather than what's happening now, you might find it helpful to read the accounts of healthcare professionals who have been working in Gaza.

There's never going to be peace. Don't you understand that? Hamas won't stop. They don't want peace. Have you seen the childrens TV in Gaza indoctrination them to kill Jews and martyr themselves?

They won't ever stop and I don't understand why any of you think there is a way to find peace.

You might also find it helpful to read what hamas does to civilians who seek and take international aid that makes it through. They beat them senseless for taking it.

Thousands of innocent people should not have to suffer like this. Their innocent blood won't wash away what Hamas did, and their lives matter. There are rules for how conflicts should be conducted, to minimise civilian casualties. If people can't follow those rules, then they shouldn't be surprised when others point out that they're breaking them and that people have an issue with that.

The Israeli government, extremist 'settlers' and IDF don't particularly seem to want peace either, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't try to create peace rather than let two groups who hate each other keep killing innocent people in the process of expressing that hate.

OK more fluffy stuff...there won't be peace. Hamas doesn't want it. There's no solution that involves the two sides negotiating. Hamas won't do it what part of that don't you understand?

So Israel just stops because Hamas hides behind civilians?

Every time there are peace deals Palestine / Hamas violates them.

Look at the Oslo accords and then Google Israeli bus bombings- do a Google image search for it. Every time a peace deal is negotiated Palestine breaks it. And yet Israel faces condemnation after their people are raped and murdered and no one gives a shit.

Its risible that mners sitting in their ivory towers safe in the west think they can solve millenia of hatred towards Jews ... they just need to sit at a table you know right? So naive.

Look at that poor woman...but God is great right

There's no peace with these people

Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation which carried out a horrific terrorist attack. Few people would object to their removal from power and the bringing to justice of the individuals who have carried out terrorist activities. The issue is with how this is (not) being done. Tens of thousands of casualties, some of the worst humanitarian concerns in the world (as reported by people with considerable experience of what conflict zones and humanitarian crises look like), reports of torture and inhumane practices, reports of violations of international law... These are not ok under any circumstances. And Hamas are still there. They're getting worn down, but this approach is slow, ineffective and likely to result in many thousands more innocent lives lost and changed forever. That won't bring peace.

Nothing will bring peace. Nothing.

Because hamas don't want it.

There won't be peace why do you keep talking about it?

They won't ever stop. What's your solution. Don't post a load of fluff about a peaceful solution being found because it won't happen

Well, one solution could have been a response which was consistent with international law.

@HowIrresponsible

"Because hamas don't want it."

Neither does the Netanyahu Israeli government.

The same can be said about Israel

The same can be said about Israel. Occupying Palestinian land

@HowIrresponsible the only person who is actively delaying a deal right now that sees the hostages released is Netanyahu.
Why? He doesn't want peace either, suits him and his political agenda to keep the war going.

Until there is a two state solution there will never be any hope for peace.

If I remember correctly, Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist because he dared to want peace.

“In the current reality, there are only two options: either a serious effort will be made to make peace with security … or that we will forever live by the sword".
Speech to the Knesset, July 13, 1992.

[The Palestinians] did not in the past and do not in the present constitute an existential threat to the state of Israel.”
Speech to the Knesset following the ratification of the Oslo II Accords, October 5, 1995.

I agree with his views. If only...

So what's your solution?

You keep saying their won't be peace so does this continue until every Palestinian in Gaza is dead? Or in Egypt, as you originally suggested.

That's correct.

Rabin signed the Oslo Accord (peace deal) with Arafat (very famous handshake between Rabin, Arafat and Clinton), and then was promptly assassinated by an Israeli extremist.

That ended the peace deal.

All kinds of theories ensued (including Netanyahu was allegedly behind it) but nothing was ever proven.

The US seems to be like Israel’s right arm. There would be no limits to what the Israeli state could do, as they would still back them regardless.

Any analysis that places the entirety of the blame on one party isn't to be taken seriously.