Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

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Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

I am actually staggered that you can not rationally work this out for yourself.
They have flattened Gaza, hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, universities, homes all gone. They have killed over 35,000 innocent civilians, 14,000 of which are children. They have killed more children in 6 months than the world over in the past 4 years. They have brought the country to the brink of famine. They have displaced two million people and for what? Hamas is still there, the hostages are still there. They are being investigated for genocide.
And you honestly cannot see that there could have been a more proportional response than that?

I see your point, but I don't know how realistic it is if Hamas are deeply embedded into all aspects of Gazan civilian life, as they appear to be. It might not be so easy as identifying and eliminating a few rotten apples. Unfortunately. I wish they could just be sieved out, but I don't know if it's as easy as that. I wish it was.

Durla

When will Hamas surrender. It's given that Israel don't care for the Palestinians but do Hamas care anymore?

I'm under no illusions that Hamas care about innocent civilians and I don't have a hotline to a terrorist organisation to know when and if they'll surrender but Israel could slaughter every last person in Gaza and Hamas would still exist because you can't bomb away an ideology

Maybe pro Palestinians protesters could protest against Hamas along with Israel. Do you think maybe if thousands did that too they would get the message that their ideology is not acceptable? Do you then think that they could be overthrown? Do think politicians in other parts of the world should not bother calling them out because we cannot change their ideology? What will it take to change this ideology, what do we need to do?

Yes, maybe, if the pro Israel protestors were also against the assault on Gaza. I don't think pro-Palestinian protestors could protest with those who support the current campaign - too big a gap in beliefs.

We don't need to wait until Israel stop. We could start protesting against both now no? Why should it be a condition that Israel stop its military action before we protest against Hamas as well as Israel?

If Israel is not listening, maybe we can convince Hamas especially since they are on the side with the most casualties. Would you not stop?

We tried to have joint events calling for a ceasefire. We received hatred and abuse back.

Some inter-faith organisations managed to pull off some events, but I don't think it's likely now.

Scirocco

Who is "we"? Genuinely want to understand how this happened. I'm surprised you had all negative response. What was their reasoning?

'We' in this case being human rights campaigners and people who had been active in trying to build inter-faith relations.

Responses included polite rejections that people couldn't be seen with or work with me ("but I'm sure you understand...") through to clear explanations of why my child's life meant less than an Israeli child's life.

Every single Palestinian must register with Israel. They have some of the world’s best AI facial recognition.

The way this thread has derailed into an echo chamber on the Gaza conflict kind of makes the OP's point. Personally, I want local councillors who are pushing for pest control, planning, waste collections, adult social care, funding for EHCPs and the things over which they can have influence. Not hand wringing over one foreign war, dreadful as it is, but one amongst a great many conflicts in the world - over which a local councillor will have no true involvement.

The op failed to provide much evidence for her point which is more likely the reason for the thread derailing

Also, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that people can do both.

"Every single Palestinian"? Really. But even if so, I don't think facial recognition technology extends yet to telling you where people are.

The people that have derailed the thread are the ones that want to bomb innocent people to obliteration. @

You seem unable to grasp the fact that a councillor can do both. Have a stance on Gaza and do their day to day job. Are you a one trick pony? Only able to do one thing in life. You should have read the whole thread.

The drones are able to recognise targets. AI is being used for the first time to determine them. There was an article about it in Haaretz.

@eomeoni the point is that campaigning on Gaza is irrelevant to the work of a local councillor, and shouldn't be the councillor's primary concern.

And we're still waiting for the OP to provide evidence that independent councillors have been elected solely due to campaigning on Gaza.

People have been elected who have opinions, yes. But have we seen evidence of it being the sole or even primary basis for their election?

The stance of Gaza mattered to the people who voted for the councillors.

It was their democratic right to vote for who they wanted. As is your right to vote for who you want.

And again a councillor having a stance on Gaza shows their morality and integrity.

This is something I look for when I cast my vote.

I have not heard of a single local elections being turned because the stance on Gaza or Sudan wars, or any other. Just the Rochdale drama.

We have plenty of problems within our borders to worry about.

That’s your opinion. The people who voted don’t agree with it and would rather the councillors have a stance.

The government facilities Israel’s offensive by the use of a British base in Cyprus. By flying a spy planes over Gaza. Israeli warplanes have landed and flown from the UK. The government has refused to say why.

Where do you think that money is coming from? It’s our tax money. Money which could be used here in the UK.

So yes if the government is facilitating a war. Then yes it is our problem.

@nfkl What are you talking about?

The op started the thread with the following statement.
No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.
Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.
They have not shown any evidence that this happened. There is no suggestion anywhere that councillors won their seats based on the "Gaza ticket" no idea why you think me pointing that out is Vain, selfish, deaf, counter-productive grandstanding.

If you want to feel superior, smug, right, entitled to criticise others online in the comfort of your own home, without any real skin in the game, piggybacking on a real human atrocity, then you keep on trucking, because that s your whole vibe so far.
No idea how you are getting this from any of my posts but I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask someone who has started a thread based on something to provide evidence for it otherwise we are commenting on a completely fabricated scenario.

piggybacking on a real human atrocity
What do you mean by this?