Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

[mids2019]

Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

@mids2019 ?

I think it’s great that people are using their democratic right to vote for where their conscious and morality takes them.

@mids2019

@Scirocco ,

Context is very important. Allahu Akbar is not a normal think for a politician to say on winning an election in the uk. We have plenty of Moslem politicians and councillors. I don’t think I have ever heard it before.

It is like the Met excusing the chants of ‘Jihad’ on a pro Palestine March saying it has many meanings, The meaning was totally obvious given the context and is illegal.

We really don’t want to encourage hatred between different groups and it is important that we keep the U.K as a religiously tolerant country,

So basically Muslims don’t have a right of freedom of expression? Are you saying all Muslims must cower and hide themselves because of what Hamas did.

God is great Allah Huakbar that I live in country where I have freedom of expression.

Ah, but 'Voting while possibly Muslim' and 'Speaking while Muslim' are cause for concern these days... How very dare people use their democratic rights if they disagree with the daily mail or the main Westminster parties.

Indeed.

"Muslims" are not a hive mind. I don't know why people imagine that they are some sort of politically and socially homogeneous group.
They vote across the spectrum and even have varying opinions on Gaza!
My issue with this person is really that I want my local councillor (whatever the ethnicity or religious persuasion) to prioritise local issues, which are very pressing.

Good points, I agree with this.

I think it’s great that I can see the hypocrisy of people laid out bare and challenged.

Muslims are also human and a part of this country. We have just the same rights as everyone else. Stop vilifying us.

So your wants, should triumph my wants? Or the wants of others?

We are all equal and can vote for who we want. Then the person with majority votes wins. This is called a democracy.

Eh?
I think you have the wrong poster.
I never said my wants triumph your wants
I never, ever said that you cannot vote for who you want
Do not twist my words.

Ffs "it's a democracy" - yes, anyone can vote for whoever they want to. Yes, the person with most votes wins! 🙄
We also have freedom of expression and can comment on something we find controversial or out of place or anything else - in our opinion!

Except thanking God is a pretty widespread thing in acceptance speeches and the like. Many politicians reference their faith or culture.

What was inappropriate was the other stuff he's come out with. Not speaking Arabic.

“Your issue is”

You know people can hold a multitude of views and still get the job done.

What? Yes. I do know that. Thank you.

Absolutely you have every right to expression and your opinion.

And, I have every right to be able to challenge opinions that I find controversial. As my freedom of expression.

Of course. Please do.
However: do not accuse me of saying things that I did not say, such as that you cannot vote for who you want to because I never said that.
Or that my wants triumph your wants because I never said that either.
Debate my points. Not stuff I didn't say.

Anyway, before I go, I will say I do hope that my local councillors focus on what their job is, and their foreign policy beliefs do not interfere with that, which I very much hope they do not.
For clarification: anyone can vote for who they wish.
No one's needs or wants triumph anothers.
Have a good day, everyone. Salaam/shalom.

@mids2019

Can you please explain this statement?

‘It also quite possible that those that are the most passionate about Gaza maybe those most likely to be anti Semitic and we have to reflect on whether having people in positions of political power with declared anti Semitic views is a good thing. Personally I feel nit.’

Do you not think it possible that those who are most passionate about Gaza may be those who are most passionate about human rights in general???

I would say I can’t believe you are conflating passion for Gaza with being antisemitic, but it’s an idea that’s been thrown around for months, with no evidence to back it up!

I can't imagine how scared I'd be if I was Jewish and someone who openly defended an anti-Semitic terrorist attack had just been elected in my area.

Do you not think it possible that those who are most passionate about Gaza may be those who are most passionate about human rights in general???

If this was the case:
1/ there would be movements of similar importance to denounce the many other hundreds HR atrocities happening round the world
Ukraine (among many) needs all the help it can get to defend from a bona fide tyrant invader and you re all out there taking on the streets, invading the socials for frigging Hamas?!?

2/ there would be more a lot more empathy for victims on both sides and tolerance overall
3/ there would not be a resurgence of antisemitism

Poor civilians of Gaza, led into destruction by their terrorist leaders, besieged and invaded by a right-wing government, supported by MAGA-type (as in hot-headed, ignorant and intolerant) idiots.

So what is our motivation? Anti-semitism?

1 - once again the factor of our government supporting the response is ignored, and differences between what is happening here and in other parts of the world are not acknowledged.

2 - I see no evidence that in general those who support a ceasefire in Gaza have not been empathetic to both sides. I would say that as a society we have been incredibly tolerant towards people who see the people of Gaza as nothing but collateral damage.

3 - unless you have evidence that antisemitism is a wide spread belief within people advocating for Gaza, then this doesn’t hold true. Correlation is not causation.

You can’t without evidence, in good faith, make the conclusion that antisemitism is wide spread within the large portion of the UK who do not support the Israeli response.

Do you know what correlation is not causation means?