University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

For example,

Feminists for Gaza!….
Even though most women there are expected to cover their hair and bodies with long clothes, get married young, and devote themselves to being mothers.

My main issue with here is that you seem
more concerned with demonising mostly
peaceful protests than protecting the lives of innocent civilians. You didn’t respond
to the main part of my comment….

‘What is extreme here? The destruction of life sustaining infrastructure, the indiscriminate killing of children, women and men, the destruction of cultural sites that breathe meaning and significance into everyday life, the destruction of peoples sanctuaries, their homes, of everything they have ever known? Or the non violent outrage against it?’

We shall have to agree to disagree on what you see as being the logical end point of these protests and of people believing the occupation should end. These things do not logically and inevitably lead to a widespread belief that Israel should not exist. There are a lot of steps and factors that would need to occur for the majority of people to believe this. This is not what the majority of people are protesting about. My logical conclusion is that you are catastrophising.

^My main issue with here is that you seem more concerned with demonising mostly
peaceful protests than protecting the lives of innocent civilians.^

Mate, we're posting on an internet forum. Seriously. Do you think posting protects anyone? Maybe, just maybe, if noblegiraffe posted "Free Palestine" those people wouldn't have died? Get a grip.

The very fact you ask those questions highlights how little you know about the gay community but you still felt you could criticise and mock them.

Wrong thread

@queenofarles

actually most world leaders want a 2 state solution with a homeland for both peoples. It's the getting there that's the challenge. What doesn't help if people refer to Palestinians as displaced or robbed of territory simply because of the existence of Israel. It is this assumed (or at least not denied desire) of the protesters for the erosion of Israel as a state which is worrying.

Such maps that don’t clearly delineate the occupied territories are apparently very prevalent in the US and even in synagogues. The maps deliberately do not show the armistice line, thus encouraging young people and donors to assume that the West Bank and East Jerusalem belong to the Israeli state and it helps to consolidate support for settlements.

https://jstreet.org/the-green-line/
https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/opinions/green-line-not-schools-maps/

Son of Hamas, perfectlybsums up his feelings on the naive students.

https://x.com/Islam4democracy/status/1788915278098711023

I’m no fan of hamas , but this guy gives me the creeps , like he is on something all the time. I see they told him to put sunglasses on this time ,

there are other Anti hamas people out there , much more respectful and more informative .

I just read his Wikipedia page, interesting background.

When Yousef was growing up, he wanted to be a fighter because that was according to him what was expected of Palestinian children in the West Bank.[10] Yousef was first arrested when he was ten, during the First Intifada, for throwing rocks at Israeli settlers.[10] Additional arrests followed and he was jailed by Israel numerous times.[2] As his father's eldest son, he was seen as his heir apparent,[1] and became an important part of the Hamas organization.[2]
Defection to IsraelYousef said he saw the light after a stint in an Israeli jail during the mid-1990s. At Megiddo Prison, he witnessed Hamas inmates leading a brutal year-long campaign to weed out supposed Israeli collaborators. "During that time, Hamas tortured and killed hundreds of prisoners," he said, recalling vivid memories of needles being inserted under fingernails and bodies charred with burning plastics. Many, if not all, had nothing to do with Israeli intelligence. "I will never forget their screams," he continued. "I started asking myself a question. What if Hamas succeeded in destroying Israel and building a state. Will they destroy our people in this way?"[11]
Yousef said that his doubts about Islam and Hamas began forming when he realized Hamas' brutality, and that he hated how Hamas used the lives of suffering civilians and children to achieve its goals.[1] Yousef was held by Shin Bet agents in 1996. While in prison he decided to accept a Shin Bet offer to become an informant.[12][13]

I'm pretty sure there won't be many people who are as informed as him.

But he wears sunglasses and gives the creeps apparently so we can't take his word. Or something like that.

Laughable thing is, because he talks so much sense, he's accused of being Mossad.

As far as I know, he was Shin Bet, not Mossad.

Thanks for that info. So he's helping Israelis with intelligence. A very brave man.

Lol. I would say he's seen a lot of evil in his younger life.

Oh he’s still evil.

A lot of trauma, for sure. No child or teenager should have the experiences he did. Groomed and manipulated by people with extreme, violent views, put in jail where he saw all kinds of things... That's no childhood.

I just googled and watched some videos to see why he might need to wear sunglasses and he looks fine without them?

I just hope the bloke continues to be protected. I shudder to think what the monsters would do to him. For those who talk about bringing peace, it's uncanny that the man talking from direct experience, is so easily dismissed by those , who question his motives.

I am allowed to criticize any person of any sexual persuasion provided my comments are not "homophobic".

I said their viewpoint and protest IMO was illogical, ineffectual and plain silly.

I am allowed to say that, it's called "free speech".

This.

Why would anyone discount his experience and insider information

To earlier poster, why should anyone 'respect hamas'

Well done Birmingham University!
Birmingham University threatens pro-Palestinian students with police action
Order to leave ‘premises immediately’ marks first time any of encampments have been told to disperse.
Pro-Palestinian protesters have been threatened with police action by Birmingham University 24 hours after setting up an encampment.
The university’s director of legal services has issued the warning to students who have occupied the lawn at the main campus in Edgbaston.
In a letter sent to protesters on Friday, Dr Nicola Cardenas Blanco said they were “trespassing” and that police would be contacted if they did not “leave the premises immediately”.
It marks the first time that any of the 20 student encampments set up across the UK in the last week have been ordered to disperse.

The worm is turning at last. End these illegal encampments!

I see you would rather resort to insulting me by telling me to get a grip, then answer my question about whether protesting or killing innocent civilians is more extreme.

I think you may be twisting my words to avoid answering the question.

But really you may as well not bother answering this, as you seem to be implying that our words here are meaningless.

‘Crushing these spaces – and the causes they represent – is most effectively done not by brute force, but in portraying the participants as villains. Hence the image of such people as Putin-backed, pro-Hamas, or led by professional infiltrators. The harder it is to discredit the earnestness and necessity of Palestinian solidarity, the wilder such allegations become.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/13/palestine-protest-supporters-solidarity-slogans

I see you would rather resort to insulting me by telling me to get a grip, then answer my question about whether protesting or killing innocent civilians is more extreme.

Oh come on that is not a genuine question that you are interested in discussing, it’s just something that for some bizarre reason you think is a gotcha.

As for insults, what do you think your patronising concern for my ‘lack of devotion to protecting people’ due to my refusal to clearly and regularly enough denounce Israel to your satisfaction is?

I was just on Twitter where purity spiralists are passing around lists of celebrities to block because they have inadequately expressed support for Palestine. Billie Eilish is in the firing line for only wearing a ceasefire pin and for not posting on social media. You’d fit right in.