Israel supporting counter marches in London - about time

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13304895/Met-Police-arrest-Palestine-Israel-march-London-protest-Gaza.html

I think in a democracy this is absolutely necessary. Obviously policing will be important but it is good to see that in terms of street protest this is not a come sided issue.

I wonder how many are going to be arrested losing their rag seeing Israeli flags an masse after getting themselves riled up calling for a ceasefire.....

If Israel thinks Iran is instrumental in the events of Oct 7th and in the arming of its enemies, it would not have mattered if Iran had sent a couple of damp squibs., or not responded at all. Israel would attack them again anyway, surely, or their consulates, perhaps. All the noise about what would happen if Iran responded or not seems beside the point. If Iran responded or not they would be attacked again, since Israel thinks they are involved in the Gaza campaign anyway?

I am confused as to why you felt 'unsafe' in the presence of this woman? Perhaps you didn't like what she had to say/didnt agree, but I can't see why you would feel threatened?

Not the poster you were asking. But this is Sunaks reaction

I retract my comment on lack of condemnation.

@ohthejoys21 Do yo feel quite relaxed in the face of verbal abuse? I wouldn't myself, as it can sometimes lead to a physical outburst from an aggressive person. I would move swiftly away from a person who was calling me names and being abusive.

Hmm, you must have missed a lot about IRAN…try a find in page “Iran” search when reading the news so you don’t miss the condemnation.
BBC:https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-68737710

Sunak also told the Commons
”If you've just joined us, here is a recap of Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's statement to the Commons:

• Sunak said Iran sought to "plunge the Middle East into crisis" with its attack on Israel which was "without precedent" and "a reckless and dangerous escalation"

Sunak published written formal U.K.gov Statement:
”I condemn in the strongest terms the Iranian regime’s reckless attack against Israel. These strikes risk inflaming tensions and destabilising the region. Iran has once again demonstrated that it is intent on sowing chaos in its own backyard.
The UK will continue to stand up for Israel’s security and that of all our regional partners, including Jordan and Iraq. Alongside our allies, we are urgently working to stabilise the situation and prevent further escalation. No one wants to see more bloodshed.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-statement-on-iranian-regimes-reckless-attack-against-israel

also

• Starmer said Iran had "left the world a more dangerous place", and that its attack "must be wholly condemned"
• He called on Israel to show "strength and courage to de-escalate" and warned diplomatic premises should not be attacked following the strike on Iran's consulate in Iran - widely considered to be by Israel
• Starmer asked about sanctions on Iran, and called again for aid to Gaza to be "drastically scaled up", an immediate ceasefire and release of Israeli hostages

• The SNP's Mhairi Black condemned Iran's actions as "a cynical attempt to exploit the suffering, pain and turmoil being experienced" by Palestinians

I’ve gone to a lot of trouble to find you these English versions by your own country’s press and government.

I don't know but so far none of "our leaders" have mentioned the bombing of the consulate. It is as if it never happened...

This is true. And the consulate attack wasn’t the first Israeli attack on Iranian government personnel. In December 2023, they were bombing cars to assassinate IRG members.

It also wasn’t Israel’s first airstrike in Syria, they have been doing them almost weekly since October 7th.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-shifts-deadlier-strikes-iran-linked-targets-syria-2024-01-08/

We all know Iran funds Hezbollah, and we all know they have been exchanging fire with each other over the border between Lebanon and Israel. But has anyone seen the data on how out of 4,733 attacks, 3,952 have been by Israel into Lebanon? With 357 out of 379 deaths being Lebanese?

Finally, I can't believe what I am about to write here but Iran has the moral high ground here.

Because it has got Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis to do its dirty work, Iran’s hands are clean?

The fact that they killed members of the revolutionary guards with hizbollah members and no-one else is a pretty good demonstration that it was being used as a military HQ. If they had killed 15 tourists filling in their visa applications or trying to pick up their passports, it would have suggested otherwise...

Thanks @BabaBarrio I feel there's an inevitability about Israel and Iran going to war, supported by their allies. The talk of attacks and responses seems artificial to me somehow, as if the confrontation was always going to happen.

Israel has been attacking Iran for 14 years, killing scientists, sabotaging infrastructure. It's just been a shadow war with Iran never responding directly. The assassination on legally Iranian territory on April 1st and an accumulation of Israel bombing other sovereign countries in the region (with no condemnation) crossed so far over Iran's red lines that for the 1st time they responded directly in a limited capacity.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-797031

Six Syrian civilians died? The strike was after 5pm, when it was closed for the day too.

OK, I see. Very worrying indeed.

Yeah...what the heck....Iran most definitely don't have any moral high ground...they're responsible for most of this mess...

Oh no sir he started it

I think it’s the British and Americans via the UN most responsible for the mess. They had no right to carve up the Ottoman Empire, draw lines on maps and promise the same land to two peoples.

It's really not that simple....but that happened and there have been many attempts at 2 state solutions proposed since which have been rejected. I can't actually see a 2 state solution working anytime in the near future.

She might have been upset but I can't see one thing she said that was abusive.. perhaps that suits your narrative better.

Once again, Israel is never at fault and never accountable. They are the victims, always.
To be fair, it has worked well for them, enabling the murder of thousands of Palestinians, by any means and in all impunity for 75 years.

By both sides at various points in history, in my opinion because the two states were lines drawn on the map by the US via the UN. At times not acceptable to Israelis and at times not acceptable to Palestinians. Even when they both agreed, under US pressure (duress?) all it took was an assassination of the Israeli PM that signed the agreement to derail the two state solution from happening. I also don’t have much hope for peace, perhaps tomorrow I will have more hope.

The bloody irony!

Do you understand that saying Iran doesn't have the moral high ground isn't giving it to Israel? That both countries can be doing bad things??

The only reason no one was killed was because Israel have invested heavily in defence. They have to since they would be annilated otherwise.

Iran fund terrorism but clearly terrorism has support from some.

That was not the only reason. Several military analysts have said Iran is capable of much worse. Iran has also threatened much worse if Israel retaliates.

Iran launched slow attack drones that take hours to arrive on target. And announced the attack as they were launching them.

Then they waited a couple hours and launched around 100 ballistic missiles with small conventional war heads on them. Ballistic missiles take 12 mins to go from Iran to target in Israel. The USAF, RAF, IAF and JAF were scrambled and their jets knocking out the drones, so it was not too difficult to also knock out the ballistic missiles as the joint air forces were already there and active.

Iran could have sent several hundred lethal radioactive dirty bomb armed ballistic missiles with no warning at all. They could wipe Tel Aviv off the map. They showed restraint. This isn’t to be applauded, this is just fact that Israel is still under threat from Iran.