Israel supporting counter marches in London - about time

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13304895/Met-Police-arrest-Palestine-Israel-march-London-protest-Gaza.html

I think in a democracy this is absolutely necessary. Obviously policing will be important but it is good to see that in terms of street protest this is not a come sided issue.

I wonder how many are going to be arrested losing their rag seeing Israeli flags an masse after getting themselves riled up calling for a ceasefire.....

Thing is, even if GF is a member of a race hate group, he should still be free to walk wherever he wants. The more I read around this, the more it looks like he was just trying to cause trouble. The solution to this, is to kill him with kindness, don't let him cause trouble, it takes two to have a fight, don't rise to it, let him pass wherever he wants, as he should be completely free to do.

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The twitter brigade again constantly spreading hate. Don't buy this or that, buy this instead, dictating to others . Probably bored or something

Even if this is true (a source would be nice) it doesn't justify antisemitism against him.

Wonder what the next excuse will be. "Yeah people shouted abuse at him, but I bet he kicks puppies".

Didn't McDonalds withdraw from Russia though?

Where did I say they were funding a government ? Read my initial sentence before you try to twist them again.

Even if this is true (a source would be nice) it doesn't justify antisemitism against him.

No it doesn't but it does make him a complete hypocrite. I don't tolerate racism of any kind and can't stand people that accuse someone of something they do themselves. But we don't know yet if he is a member of this party...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/22/met-police-chief-praises-professional-conduct-officer-antisemitism-row

So boring.
Harassing families going into McDonalds as per some of the marches doesn't help anyone. It turns people off and they see protesters as trouble makers. If they gave some free food so bloody what. They haven't killed anyone. Mcdonalds has outlets in many countries. The UK being one and the UK London branches targeted, they are franchises.

Meanwhile Hamas still operate. The Houthis still target boats. Iran still arms Hamas, hezbollah, the Houthis, etc. Hey ho off they go.

Twat around Mcdonalds entrances annoying families it does nothing to change anything.

Even a vague attempt at getting the details right would be appreciated.
The party is called Otzma Yehudit, not The Kahanist party. They espouse extremist Kahanist views.
As Gideon Falter refers to himself as a British Jew, does he also have Israeli citizenship and is a member of an Israeli political party? Where is your verified source? Otherwise, this is defamation.

Gideon Falter is also a director of the pro-Israel organisation the ‘Jewish National Fund’ UK which promotes illegal settler colonisation of Palestinian land.

Fact Sheet: What is the Jewish National Fund? | IMEU

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So no source for your defamatory post about Big Mean Zionist Gideon Falter then, just an attempt at deflection.

I completely accept that many (most) protests are peaceful. Everything you have said on here has demonstrated that you would not tolerate anti semitism or any sort of racism on a March you attend.
I can understand that large scale protests are very difficult to manage and extremist groups and trouble makers often latch on to a peaceful protest for their own ends. None of this is easy but it is important to have the conversation so that no group feels threatened.
But - of course- we all know - the actual victims right now are in Gaza .

Well it's beginning to look at though this guy is an extreme right winger of one sort or another who went to the demonstration in order to antagonise and cause trouble.

The video shows "the officer explaining to Falter that his approach was informed by the knowledge he had already deliberately walked out into the middle of the march and was therefore “looking to try and antagonise this”

(Guardian today)

It doesn't cover the release of the hostages because Hamas have said they will repeat October 7th which included the murder of Jews & others & the taking of hostages.

How does ceasefire not cover the hostages? As I understand it the IDF actions have freed two hostages, and killed others. The short ceasefire they had freed scores of hostages.

Do you really think no one will verify the random stuff you make up?

Tel Quasile is a 3000 year old ruin. Calling it a 'Palestinian city' is pretty disingenuous. Whilst it was a city, and the ruin exists in what became the Palestinian region (named after the Philistines, who did build the city), it certainly wasn't anything to do with modern-day Palestinians - the people who now live in Gaza and the WB. It not only predates the creation of the Palestinian Nationalist movement in the 1960s, but predates the ancestors of the modern-day Palestinians leaving the Arabian Peninsula, and even predates Islam by more than 1000 years.

As for Tel Aviv, it was founded in 1909 as a Jewish garden suburb of Jaffa. A dutchman bought the first 60 plots on 1906, on behalf of Jewish families who weren't allowed to buy land at that time. The Ottoman empire still ruled the area then, and it was an apartheid regime, discriminating in favour of Muslims and against Jews.
Here's a photo of what Tel Aviv looked like then.
https://images.app.goo.gl/XbE91XZ4pTqZzvG99

Those families dug a well, a water system, streets and houses, and left a plot to build a school. By 1914, the population was about 1500.

In 1947, Al-Shaykh Muwannis was a small Palestinian Arab village in territory earmarked for Jewish statehood under the UN Partition Plan, approximately 8km from Jaffa - a mixed Arab and Jewish town.

Al-Shaykh Muwannis was abandoned in March 1948 during the 1947-48 civil war. There was quite a lot of violence taking place, certainly not one-sided. Jewish militias were trying to take the land allocated to them in the Partition plan and Arab militias were trying to destroy isolated Jewish communities. You might want to read into the War of the Roads and the seige of Jerusalem.

@statsfun thank you for doing the research. I will never understand why people blindly accept posted " facts" without doing their own deep dive.

Point me to where Hamas have offered to release the rest of the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire & commitment not to reenact oct 7th?

The GF thing shows ultimately no matter the motivation that Jewish people are being abused in our streets and the marches were a contributory factor. Movement to parks at least allows the protesters to be in a cordoned area and the whole situation is easy to pooice. It will be hard for the protesters though if people basically avoid theory st and go on alternative walks around Hyde Park (possibly you visit a park for peace and quiet?).

If the protest isn't getting media coverage and that has slipped then Poole will get bored of at least realise the form of protest isn't the most effective (not that it was anyway). The protests get media coverage because of arrests of violence so there may be malign actors that want this.

It simply will get boring for potestors to wave placards at random joggers.

“It simply will get boring for potestors to wave placards at random joggers.”

Of course - hundreds of thousands of people across the U.K have been protesting for months but will stop as soon as we get bored waving at joggers. I mean …

But I do agree that less media coverage should be given to professional troublemakers and we should actually be talking about the mass graves being found at the hospitals in Gaza.

I think Hyde Park is a much better place . If The point of the protest is to demonstrate the strength of feeling against the war in Gaza then it can take place very successfully in the park without impeding or potentially intimidating anyone. Going to a park is a choice whereas people need to use the streets to get to work etc. Joggers can find alternative routes.

I think it causes a lot of confusion that the word 'Palestinian' is used both for the region and also for the modern-day Palestinians, who took it as the name of their Nationalist movement in the 60s.

It implies that the modern-day citizenship-group 'Palestinians' have more of a link to / claim on the land that Israelis/Jews - because they have the same name. Of course, that's exactly why Arafat chose the name!

We assume that link because usually a country is named after the people. Eg England named after the Angles, France named after the Franks. But in the case of the Palestinians, the nationalist movement was named after the region, not the other way round.

People did refer to themselves as Palestinian beforehand, but they were referring to the region, just as we might call ourselves European, meaning the region rather than citizenship. The Palestinian Jews were just as Palestinian, but after the creation of Israel, they called themselves 'Israeli' - identifying with their citizenship.

It's certainly incorrect to talk about 'Palestinians' - meaning the current modern-day people, and excluding Israelis - when referring to pre-1948. I think it's only really accurate when talking in terms of citizenship.

It also demonstrates the organisers are mindful of concerns and want to keep the general public on their side and the focus on the aims of the March.
Some placards with the Israeli hostages names alongside the names of some of the Palestinian victims would help with this as a sign that the aim is to end the suffering of all the victims in this war.
I know there are many thousands of Palestinians victims compared to the 100s of Israelis but referring to that point suggests it’s all about numbers ( that’s the way an army thinks) Every life is important. So please dont come back and say it’s only x Israeli dead compared to y Palestinian dead. They are all individuals with lives and families .