To think that the blame lies with Hamas and Israel deserves our support

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Of course, the deaths of the aid workers recently is a terrible tragedy and it is entirely right that Israel is investigating why it happened and holding members of the IDF responsible.

However, the criticism of Israel seems to miss a fundamentally important point which is that Israel is engaged in military operations in Gaza for one reason only: the barbaric terrorist attacks that were committed by Hamas on 7 October and their continued imprisonment of Israel citizens as hostages.

Of course, the deaths of the aid workers is a tragedy. Every civilian death that occurs in a war is a tragedy. But the reality is that that is what happens in a war, and Hamas is responsible for the fact that there is a war.

The war can be ended, and billions of dollars of aid can be released into Gaza, very simply. Hamas simply needs to lay down its arms and release the Israeli citizens that it has taken hostage and continues to keep imprisoned.

Unless and until Hamas do that, the state of Israel deserves our continuing support in its battle against a brutal terrorist organisation that has kidnapped the innocent civilians of a democratic state.

Calling it a war is delusional.
It's not sustained conflict between groups it's an offensive attack by a country designed to kill as many civilians especially women and children as possible while simultaneously creating a man made famine.

Plenty of people support Hamas.

But even more seek to justify the actions of Hamas ( whilst simultaneously trying to deny much of the deliberate and well documented atrocities)

And even more refuse to condemn Hamas.

Why is there such denial of these widespread positions? We can all see it. We have all encountered it over and over on here, on social media. In real life.

It seems to have become a truism for one side to state ‘No one is supporting Hamas’. Even though we can all see over and over again that that is not true. People are supporting them either directly, or indirectly, by refusing to condemn them or denying they did what they did. Or by saying, in so many words, ‘oh well Israel deserved it’

I have read all of this. I have heard all of this in real life.

You really can’t convince me that ‘no one supports Hamas’ when so many since October 7th publicly have.

Your question doesn’t deserve an answer because you are deliberately trying to shift focus and I am not willing to play your game. One-upmanship does not absolve.

Seriously - and I do mean this - you need to educate yourself on the history and nature of the Israeli/Gaza conflict. The Israelis have long been the oppressors of Palestine. They have been forcing Palestinians out of their homes and displacing people to then occupy their land for over 75 years. Did you realise that? Because it seems to me that you assumed there was no history behind this. Israel were in the wrong to begin with.

The Hamas attacks that occurred in October last year did not happen in a vacuum - I do not support Hamas of course not but you must understand that the Israelis themselves have been murdering and displacing Palestinians for over 7 decades.

Their actions have, in part been responsible for the intense reaction of Hamas.

In the UK, it's basically just more trendy to support Palestine. The sheep are turkeys voting for Christmas

Do you think the militant Zionist terrorists who blew up the King David hotel had justifiable motivations? Or Yigal Amir who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin? There is extremism on both sides of this. Hamas are hideous and I condemn them utterly. But Netanyahu is also a monster.

The greek Cypriots were forced out of Northern Cyprus...they have managed to live in peace.

It’s obviously too difficult for you. it’s a war following a horrendous terrorist attack by the government of one country on another. The IRA were never the government of any country. Northern Ireland were (and remain now) part of the uk.

your silly analogies are now offensive to Irish people too. Please go learn about the situation in Ireland.

and there has been no indiscriminate killing and no blockade of food.

Genocide is always wrong and Palestine has a right to defend themselves. YABVU.

I have Jewish friends who absolutely think Israel is committing genocide.

@Comedycook

Good for them! The situation is different in Palestine. They reacted to their oppression.

Trendy

12300 Palestinian children have been murdered by the IDF.
It's not a trend , it's humanity

I'm not trying to shift focus. It's one simple question directly related to your comment.

I'm not trying to 'one-up' anyone.

I'm just trying to demonstrate that things are not cut and dry.

Ah well. You too are showing your true colours then.

I did not suggest, and I do not believe, that the attacks on 7 October happened in a vacum.

I agree there was context.

But I do not believe that the context - whatever it was, and there is plenty of room for argument about the context - can possibly justify the deplorable actions of Hamas on 7 October, namely the taking hostage of over 100 Israeli civilians and the attack and rape of numerous other civilians.

That is what has given rise to the war.

If you believe that the "context " justifies the actions of Hamas on 7 October, please explain why.

Bombing and killing an entire country because some terrorists from that country attacked some of their natives is a disproportionate response. Israel is not just killing Hamas, they are killing innocent women and children and targeting HOSPITALS. WTF OP?!

Only one side are terrorists and only one side is defending terrorism. I’m not a fan of Netanyahu but he’s not a terrorist nor is the Israeli government. It’s just more antisemitism.

Migraine preventing writing me more. This article makes v interesting reading. IDF are certainly happy this time to allow a high civilian casualty rate for every Hamas member killed.

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

Over 11000 children killed in Yemen. Plus a famine on top of that.
But it's not a trendy cause

@Annettekurtin

“There is no massacres of Gazan civilians. That’s simply not true.”

Are you for real?

And it's working out so well isn't it...

We (the uk) bombed a hospital in our fight against Isis. That’s because the terrorists were using it as a base. Same as in Gaza - Hamas use civilians and hospitals as human shields.

proportionate in war is not about the number of casualties. Israel have killed a large number of Hamas militants- but that’s what happens in war.

How many people did Nelson Mandela rape kidnap and murder?

Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves? Or does your argument only apply to one country?