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Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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MrsFinkelstein · 31/03/2024 18:05

@Auvergne63
Yes. I am. Its abhorrent.

pickledandpuzzled · 31/03/2024 18:11

I think OP’s post reads as a rhetorical question- ‘is there ever a context where that symbol could be ok on a Palestinian march, can pro Palestinians on MN think of a context?’
If even pro Palestinians can’t think it acceptable, then why couldn’t the Met do so?

I don’t think she was accusing pro Palestinians on here of being Nazi sympathisers.

Kendodd · 31/03/2024 18:25

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 15:32

Shocking.
I never thought I'd see the swastika paraded through the streets of London with impunity. I genuinely don't understand why that's allowed.

I saw a few people with swastika banners on a demonstration in about 2019. It was at an anti brexit march and the swastikas were held by people in a small pro brexit counter demonstration. They were claiming the EU were Nazis and so the anti brexit marchers were Nazi supporters.

Anywherebuthere · 31/03/2024 18:36

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Scirocco · 31/03/2024 18:46

@Anywherebuthere and to help with wiping out Palestinians, the UK continues to provide arms despite apparent legal advice that this conflict is in breach of international law, and the US has just approved billions of dollars worth of arms.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 18:47

Kendodd · 31/03/2024 18:25

I saw a few people with swastika banners on a demonstration in about 2019. It was at an anti brexit march and the swastikas were held by people in a small pro brexit counter demonstration. They were claiming the EU were Nazis and so the anti brexit marchers were Nazi supporters.

Dreadful. They should have been arrested.

stomachamelon · 31/03/2024 18:52

Am pleased they at least seem to be arresting the most extreme.
Sadly it's what happens next that's the issue....

Kendodd · 31/03/2024 19:14

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 18:47

Dreadful. They should have been arrested.

Just to be clear, the people holding swastika signs weren't describing themselves as Nazis, they were calling others that. They had signs like EU = swastika or I saw some of an EU flag with a swastika overlayed. Some looked just home made cardboard, others looked professionally made.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 19:17

Kendodd · 31/03/2024 19:14

Just to be clear, the people holding swastika signs weren't describing themselves as Nazis, they were calling others that. They had signs like EU = swastika or I saw some of an EU flag with a swastika overlayed. Some looked just home made cardboard, others looked professionally made.

I know. I understood. Just like these marches.
It doesn't make it acceptable.
They just sound very ignorant and bigoted.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:28

hattie43 · 31/03/2024 16:18

If that was part of a far right demo imagine how quickly it'd be removed yet for a Palestinian demo it's ok . Totally wrong .

This

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:31

I just can't believe these protests are still being allowed. Jewish people are afraid to be in Central London right now. People are parading anti semitic symbols through the streets of our cities day after day, and wilfully obtuse police officers are wittering away about "context".

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:34

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Except the fact that many of these "compassionate" pro-Palestine supporters are knowingly and continuously marching alongside blatant anti-Semites...

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 19:37

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:31

I just can't believe these protests are still being allowed. Jewish people are afraid to be in Central London right now. People are parading anti semitic symbols through the streets of our cities day after day, and wilfully obtuse police officers are wittering away about "context".

I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes as today's reports would suggest people absolutely should be out on the streets. Imagine a world where your government is in breach of International Law as it is looks like the UK government is and nobody could protest about it? Where does that end? People should have a right to hold their government accountable, especially on something as serious as this.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:38

I went to a Solidarity with Jews march the other day. There was one known Islamophobic personality there and the event organisers immediately made him leave and would not allow him to march with them.

Are the peaceful Pro-Palestine marchers doing the same? Are they calling the police on protesters marching alongside them displaying anti-semitic tropes? Are they making it clear what type of slogans and symbols will not be tolerated at their marches?

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:39

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 19:37

I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes as today's reports would suggest people absolutely should be out on the streets. Imagine a world where your government is in breach of International Law as it is looks like the UK government is and nobody could protest about it? Where does that end? People should have a right to hold their government accountable, especially on something as serious as this.

It ends where British Jews are being terrorised and abused.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 19:47

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:39

It ends where British Jews are being terrorised and abused.

You don't think that that is what the police are for? I honestly can't believe that you would think people shouldn't be able to protest about their government aiding and abetting war crimes, that people should put up and shut up about their government helping to kill people against international law rather than expecting the police to do their jobs. This is what I mean about the UK and what they 'condemn' being so confusing. War crimes = fine, protesting = not fine, expecting the police to do their jobs = not fine.

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:00

I've not seen any pictures on the news of the offending item so for all we know it was a Buddhist manji. If it had "death to all Jews" written across it then the person should have been arrested and rightly so, but if it was a manji the officer was right about context. It's a dangerous path to try and police symbols when for example such things as The Saint George's have both negative and positive associations.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:01

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 19:47

You don't think that that is what the police are for? I honestly can't believe that you would think people shouldn't be able to protest about their government aiding and abetting war crimes, that people should put up and shut up about their government helping to kill people against international law rather than expecting the police to do their jobs. This is what I mean about the UK and what they 'condemn' being so confusing. War crimes = fine, protesting = not fine, expecting the police to do their jobs = not fine.

Firstly, the police are clearly not doing their jobs.

Secondly, the protest organisers should also have a responsibility to make it clear what isn't and isn't acceptable at their marches, as they have done very well at the Marches against Anti-Semitism. If this has become impossible to manage because the march has become uncontrollably overrun with anti-Semites, they should have the decency to cancel the marches.

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:03

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:00

I've not seen any pictures on the news of the offending item so for all we know it was a Buddhist manji. If it had "death to all Jews" written across it then the person should have been arrested and rightly so, but if it was a manji the officer was right about context. It's a dangerous path to try and police symbols when for example such things as The Saint George's have both negative and positive associations.

Come on. You really think it's even remotely likely that a Swastika at an Anti-Israel march was a Buddhist Manji?

This is so ludicrous it's almost funny.

The anti-Semitism on this board could not be more thinly veiled. Make a bit more of an effort, please.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 20:04

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:01

Firstly, the police are clearly not doing their jobs.

Secondly, the protest organisers should also have a responsibility to make it clear what isn't and isn't acceptable at their marches, as they have done very well at the Marches against Anti-Semitism. If this has become impossible to manage because the march has become uncontrollably overrun with anti-Semites, they should have the decency to cancel the marches.

So why not look for the police to do their jobs rather than try and silence people who have a problem with their government breaking International law and aiding and abetting war crimes?

Scirocco · 31/03/2024 20:05

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:03

Come on. You really think it's even remotely likely that a Swastika at an Anti-Israel march was a Buddhist Manji?

This is so ludicrous it's almost funny.

The anti-Semitism on this board could not be more thinly veiled. Make a bit more of an effort, please.

It's not an anti-Israel march.

It's a march calling for a ceasefire and an end to this conflict.

musthorse · 31/03/2024 20:12

That policeman was a grade A twat. He showed himself up by continuing to drink a takeaway coffee, swirl it about in the cup and looking at it as opposed to looking the woman in the face! I hope he gets reprimanded for his condescending behaviour. A pro Palestinian rally with a nazi symbol says only one thing and I think that it is a disgrace that these things are allowed in Britain today.

kasstherito · 31/03/2024 20:13

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:00

I've not seen any pictures on the news of the offending item so for all we know it was a Buddhist manji. If it had "death to all Jews" written across it then the person should have been arrested and rightly so, but if it was a manji the officer was right about context. It's a dangerous path to try and police symbols when for example such things as The Saint George's have both negative and positive associations.

Pull the other one.

Comedycook · 31/03/2024 20:15

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:03

Come on. You really think it's even remotely likely that a Swastika at an Anti-Israel march was a Buddhist Manji?

This is so ludicrous it's almost funny.

The anti-Semitism on this board could not be more thinly veiled. Make a bit more of an effort, please.

I know. It's so transparent. I despair

musthorse · 31/03/2024 20:15

@Anywherebuthere you need your read your history books if you think what is happening is the same as in Germany.

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