"The only purpose of these marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part three)

[stomachamelon]

Carrying on from part two....

well I beg to differ - I don't consider it academic. At all.
I note that you don't say that they do not have agenda.
So there is no misunderstanding I don't doubt that there has recently been an increase in anti semitism. And islamaphobia. Several groups on both sides of the issue are though it seems clear to me trying to stir things up. For their broader ends.
Again for the avoidance of doubt I think anti semitism stinks. I could back this up with personal tales but no doubt it would elicit sneering from some circles akin to the sneering I got for claiming that I had a Jewish friend. So I will desist for now.
I continue to receive mailings from "The Campaign Against Anti Semitism". And very enlightening they are too. As I said I would encourage people to sign up to their mails. In the interests of free speech.

I have kept a record of this post in case it mysteriously disappears so that I can check it against the talk guidelines.

Peace to all.

I don't think anyone reasonable would argue with your point. For of course all Jewish folk don't think the same on the issue, even if you were to ask them. Of course some on here seem rather too fond of claiming that all Jewish folk think the same, while rather presumptiously appearing to think that they speak for all Jewish folk.

I replied to this question of yours, politely as I recall. But unfortunately my post was deleted for reasons yet to be figured out/established. While I try to reply again (may not be today, it wasn't an uber short reply and I am keen not to break any rules) and ponder this, you may be able to help me. I can only think that my reply was reported for some reason. If by chance you reported it, maybe you could enlighten me. In the interests of open honest communication.

No I didn't report your post. Not that you have any right to ask that, reporting AFAIK is supposed to be anonymous. If your post was deleted it wasn't brcause if whoever reported it, it was deleted by MNHQ because they decided it breaks the rules. So take it up with them instead of accusing people.

I didn't accuse you - I asked.
There is not a rule against asking questions as far as I am aware.
If so, this would hardly be a forum, and a complete waste of time/pixels.
I may take up your suggestion.
As I am truly puzzled as to what stated rule I broke.
I trust that while this is clarified/resolved, you will forgive me for not answering your post.

edit - and as a believer in "no question is stupid" I am also long enough in the tooth to know that conclusions can be drawn from fair questions not answered. Or avoided. So when I have more time I will try to ask MN HQ.
Peace to all.

@Offwiththecircus I have no idea why your post would break the rules. I remember reading it and have just now found this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/04/uk-charities-watchdog-assesses-concerns-about-campaign-against-antisemitism

*forgot to tag

To save everyone the trouble of clicking on the link: The charity commission opened a case, as is standard practice when concerns have been raised. The opening of a case does not mean a finding of any wrongdoing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

London a 'no go' zone for Jews at the weekends.

Says Mr Simcox. Appointed by that beacon of love and mutual understanding Priti Patel.

A former research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society, a "think tank" which describes itself as promoting "liberal democracy" but which has been criticised by more than a few for being very right wing and anti muslim. "Think tanks" tend to do their thinking within a pre-defined pond of course and many would call most of them "pressure groups".

Also a former Margaret Thatcher Fellow at The Heritage Foundation's Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom. The spelling of "center" gives the clue that that is an american pressure group. Similarly associated with somewhat fixed right wing ideas.

An earlier BBC piece says:

"Mr Simcox argued the UK was paying the price for a "three-decade long failed policy mix of mass migration and multiculturalism"

which rather makes you wonder which sorts of migrants Mr Simcox favours. Going back how far? Britain for who?

Sent from multicultural London.

(I have copied this post to myself in case it disappears/is disappeared and I need to educate myself, with guidance, about which rules I have broken. For of course I have no intention of breaking any rules)

I'm Jewish (non practising) and have a typical British surname. If I walk down the street no one knows I'm Jewish. I do not tell people that I am unless I know them extremely well. Since the conflict started, I've told my dc not to tell anyone at school of their heritage. If I was visibly Jewish, I'd be terrified to walk down the street right now. Stop minimising anti semitism.

There is always an excuse because the reality is uncomfortable.
This charity doesn't stand for the right things .
That person isn't the right kind of Jew.
The think tank you are talking about is bias.

His opinion is one that lots share from what I have read this morning. It's all over the news and there is lots of agreement online. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it wrong.

What I find uncomfortable is that our government is willingly and deliberately turning communities against each other; the good "old divide and conquer", that they labelling every protesters antisemite and terrorist supporters and using this in order to curtail our civil rights and that people fall for this.
Calling Gaza protesters extremist risks dividing UK, says government adviser | Protest | The Guardian

Do you have anything to say about what hes actually saying? That Jewish people are scared? Or are you just here to poke holes in his job history.

@Comedycook

I am sorry to hear that.

I think we should all consider carefully the fact that is 2024 there are Jews who feel they have to hide their faith in the public arena. That is shaming.

The voice of the Jewish community has been down played in recent times and we have allowed a focus on a foreign war to enable anti semitism to thrive.

the problem I have with the marches is that they contribute to a culture of fear for parts of our diverse community and although a lot of the marchers are marching out of misguided principles there are those that actively use the marches as cover to further increase tensions within society.

I realise that this is from a few days ago and may not be immediately relevant to the current discussion but for future reference

I didn't see your post and wonder if it contained a link as, MNHQ's automatic spam filter sometimes deletes innocuous posts in error because it's triggered by the link. It's worth asking MNHQ why a post has been deleted and they'll happily re-instate it if it;s a problem with the spam filter

Just worth knowing for the future

Sorry it's taken me so long to post this

although a lot of the marchers are marching out of misguided principles
@mids2019
Could you elaborate on what the misguided principles are? I find that sentence very patronising to those marching out of hopelessness and despair over the stream of disturbing and horrific images of death, starvation and displacement of innocent children they see day in day out coming from Gaza and they are marching to send a clear message to the UK government that it is not in their name.

Many thanks for your kind post.
I don't recall that there was a link in it.
If there was it wouldn't have been anything offensive.
Have also reread the rules and remain mystified as to what could have been wrong with it.
Good to know that Mnet will respond to such queries.
When I have a mo I will get in touch with them.
And reply (with copies to me) to other points in this thread.

By the by, was anyone at Sir Simon Schama's lecture on anti semitism at Queen Mary University last night? Packed lecture theatre of broad selection of Londoners, event went off without a hitch. No nastiness. Maybe the no go zone is opened on Fridays.

Thank you.

By the by, was anyone at Sir Simon Schama's lecture on anti semitism at Queen Mary University last night? Packed lecture theatre of broad selection of Londoners, event went off without a hitch. No nastiness. Maybe the no go zone is opened on Fridays.

Was this filmed?

I think it was.
There was a camera at the front with some impressive looking sound equipment.
Photos were also being taken.
You aren't in London then?

No not in London :)

I'll look out for it.

Agree

I genuinely apologise. I really didn’t intend to dismiss anti semitism or imply the poster wasn’t compassionate. That was not at all where I was coming from. I was posting too late and had had a drink so was not being very thoughtful in my wording. I didn’t mean to come across as patronising or condescending to anyone who feels intimidated by anti semitism (or Islamophobia. )
Not quite sure how to delete my post ? I do understand how it might seem patronising 😣