"The only purpose of these marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part three)

[stomachamelon]

Carrying on from part two....

Let’s not derail the thread any more than we have.

Let’s just acknowledge that as a British Jewish woman, I can quote Ella saying something is highly offensive to Jews reading it and disagree with her for myself without any more of this spiel.

I don't think that's a derail, I think you've moved the conversation in that direction.

Quantum is trying to move in that direction. I think it’s a derail. You don’t. How about you answer their question?

No, that’s not it at all.

A Jewish group, like Jewish Voice for Labour by definition cannot engage in a “smear campaign” “using antisemitic tropes to try and discredit” Campaign Against AntiSemitism.

I've heard it all now! 😂

The amount of damage this group have caused British Jews, including left wing Jews (like me), is incalculable. A thoroughly nasty bunch of people.

@EncoreMoi agree strongly.

you wrote ...The fact that some members have faced allegations of antisemtism when the main issue is that anti-Israeli government or anti-Zionist opinions are being conflated with antisemtism; doesn’t mean they are antisemites.

The definition of these terms is pertinent to this thread, many placards on the marches are anti-Israeli government policy (general consensus is not antisemitic) or anti-zionist (not a general consensus).

Your words seem to imply it is not anti-semitic, so rather than more misunderstanding of experiential references I am asking you what you mean.

I didn’t think the post needed reporting, it seemed an off hand comment at the end. I just wanted to explain why that specific comment could be taken as referencing a particularly insiduous trope, which Jews reading may find very offensive. I think reporting in this case would have been heavy handed, I’d prefer to have an open, straight conversation with @Offwiththecircus to explain how it was coming across to me. In hindsight, I think I could have been clearer, but it was late and I hope they took it in the spirit I posted it in.

yes I realised it was referring to the wizard of oz, but in context, as you say, this refers to “making/using smoke and mirrors to create illusions to fool people as to what the reality was” to me still appears to reference the trope.

thanks for this second post @EllaDisenchanted - will reply later (probably tomorrow) and clarify when have more time. Also to some of the other posts.

clearly we have a mind-reader in our midst, or someone who sees what they wants to see/hears what they want to hear.
Am about to reply to @EllaDisenchanted 's polite post.
Hang on.

Am perfectly aware of what I am saying thanks.
Though you may not be/may choose not to be.
Seem to recall that you rather somehow misinterpreted, or chose to and then broadcast as a misinterpretation, something else I said upthread - may have time to dig out. In meantime, reply to ella's point coming.

Oh dear.

There was no mind reading involved, I didn’t agree with Kestrelmoon’s interpretation of my post.

Your extreme defensiveness and inability to consider opinions that don’t align with yours is noted.

@Offwiththecircus do you think it’s acceptable to distort or lecture members of a minority on their thoughts, beliefs and experiences?

I don't need a running commentary. You do you...

Come on, you didn’t agree with my interpretation of @Offwiththecircus ’ post despite them coming back to say I interpreted it the way they intended it?

Let’s be honest about what happened. I have no idea why their post clarifying which interpretation (mine) was the correct one, has now been deleted either. Someone must have reported it. I wonder who that might be?

If you felt like stretching and looking for allusions that aren’t there, then yes some less well read persons might mistake it for a trope. I don’t agree that a poster cautioning people to read source material for themselves is peddling that particular trope, or any trope.

@KestrelMoon No, I didn’t agree with your interpretation of my post, as I’ve already said.

Maybe come down off your high horse and stop being so rude to people whose opinions are equally as valid as yours? Or
maybe just take the time to read and comprehend my posts properly before having a pop.

you didn’t agree with my interpretation of @Offwiththecircus post, it wasn’t your post. You said “No, that’s not it at all” to my interpretation of their post, not your post.

I will ask you what you asked- Do you think it’s acceptable to distort or lecture members of a minority on their thoughts, beliefs and experiences?

Because you appear to be doing so to me, a minority on this thread which is purportedly meant to be full of concern for Jewish Brits like myself and wanting to know our perspective.

You’re so determined to be offended it’s exhausting. I’m a Jew. I ask questions for
myself and I speak for myself. I’m always interested in other Jewish people’s
perspectives but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them because we’re not a monolith.

Absolutely.

Same as you. I don’t understand why you objected to my interpretation of their post? They even came back and said that was what they intended and got deleted for it! I am not looking to be offended at all, it seems I am being criticised by you and others for not being offended by their post.

@KestrelMoon I haven’t criticised and I don’t have any problem with you not being offended by their post, I said ages ago your opinion is equally valid. I objected to you being so rude/ unecessarily high handed to other posters who have different opinions to you. Do you think we could move past this please?

Can’t edit my spelling mistake either. Annoying.