Terrorist leader speaks out

[Peggysoonerthanlater]

Now you have it for the horse's mouth -

Yahya Sinwar: Hamas leader in Gaza didn't expect consequences of 7 October attack to be 'this dangerous', says friend

Updated Wed, 14 February 2024 at 10:02 pm GMT

The top Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was one of the main planners of the 7 October attack on Israel but did not expect the consequences to become "this dangerous", a friend has told Sky News.
Esmat Mansour (who has been in prison with Sinwar) said last year's cross-border raid was supposed to be a strategic operation designed to lift the Israeli siege on the territory, release Sinwar's friends from prison, and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people".
But the calculations "didn't go as planned", the reaction of the Israelis was "uncontrolled, without any justification", and "now we have this result", he explained.
"He [Sinwar] didn't expect the operation to make things this complicated and to go as far as it did and become this dangerous. And [it] gave Israel all the reasons and excuses to break all the rules."
Speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, Mansour said: "I think he was one of the main people behind this operation."
He claimed that if Sinwar knew what the consequences of the assault would be, he "would never have planned an operation this way".
Mansour, who has been in prison with Sinwar, said the Hamas leader had "wanted to make a change".
According to his ex-fellow inmate, Sinwar "tried several times to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, to make a good relationship with Egypt, and he tried to provoke Israel to lift the siege on Gaza".
"After all these efforts, he didn't succeed. After that, he had to make a strategic change to [do] a huge operation like this. A big part of it was thought up by Sinwar."
Hamas killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in its raid on Israel last October and took around 250 others hostage.
The attack led to retaliatory Israeli strikes on Gaza that have killed at least 28,576 Palestinians, including mostly women and children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
The Israeli military claims it has killed or captured 8,000-9,000 Hamas fighters since 7 October.

From Sky News

Then maybe do a search for what posters were saying about not letting aid in a few months ago. I think you'll find what you're looking for there 👍🏻

Where the hell do you get that I'm supporting terrorism? I asked for examples of posters condemning the IDF.

You said that you'd never seen any posters justifying the Hamas attacks. That's because they've been reported and deleted because they are supporting terrorism.

I’m not a military strategist. But even so I can understand that using indiscriminate weapons in one of the most densely populated places on earth, will cause large civilian casualties. If Hamas were in Israel right now would you expect unguided bombs to be used in urban area in order to root them out? Would you see civilian death as collateral damage then?

it is clear that the Israeli authorities are killing too many civilians. I can’t even believe that people would debate that any more. The question that remains is why. Do they just not value Palestinian life? Or are they trying to get rid of the Palestinian’s altogether by pushing them out of Gaza?

You misquoted me. I didn't ask for examples of them.

No, you just denied they'd ever happened

Oh, so you accept that there have been people on MN justifying the Hamas attacks despite the fact that you've never seen them then?

I think you, like many people, have lost sight of the fact that Hamas has embedded itself among the civilian population. It uses it's citizens as 'human shields' because it doesn't care about them. They are just a means to an end.

https://charlotteclymer.substack.com/p/hamas-does-not-care-about-palestinians

Dear Benjamin,

With nothing better to do, and plenty of time on my hands, (they say another 5 years, min) , I thought I'd have a look at the historical records of the public's "approval ratings" of politicians as gathered by pollsters.

Mrs Thatcher; December 1981, approval 25 %

Falklands war April 1982

Mrs Thatcher; June 1982, approval 59 %

Prior to the war Mrs. T had one of the lowest approval ratings of any prime minister since WW2.
That meteoric rise to 59 % then fell back a bit but to a much better one than she'd had before the Falklands war.

Hope you're keeping well. Come and visit us in prison sometime, there'll be lots of people you know. Who knows, you might even get to share a cell with one. Love to the missus, gotta go and slop out,

Mike.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/political-monitor-satisfaction-ratings-1977-1987

If Hamas were in Israel right now would you expect unguided bombs to be used in urban area in order to root them out?

Totally different circumstances. Israel would not be facing a hostile population for starters so it would be in a much better position to do targeted strikes or if Hamas held hostages targeted rescue missions as they would know where the hostages were- remember Entebbe?

Do they just not value Palestinian life?
Possibly more than Hamas value their own people.

As for "collateral damage" how do you fight a war without any? Do tell.

Interesting how a thread about one of the worst terrorist leaders in the world has turned into yet another "Israel is evil" one don't you think, instead of dissecting Sinwar - or his pal's lies

I said I'd never seen them.

@noblegiraffe maybe there has? I just said I've never seen them.

Why did you say you'd never seen them, unless to cast doubt on their existence?

Particularly as you said you'd never seen them in the same breath as you said you'd never seen posts from pro-Israelis condemning the actions of the IDF and you definitely intended to cast doubt on their existence.

Oh, was it a spurious segue between the two so that you could turn the topic from criticising Hamas to criticising Israel? I've definitely seen people do that a lot.

I think it was entirely predictable- and there is no definition for a “proportionate” response - dropping a few bombs and trying hard to mirror the death toll from 7 October? Would that have been “acceptable” to the people who desperately seek to downplay the actions of Hamas and emphasise how evil Israel is. For what’s it’s worth I think Hamas knew exactly what they were doing and in some ways Netanyahu is playing into their hands.

That's a bit of a backhanded compliment IMO.

The IDF are a whisker away from eradicating Hamas and for some reason some people don't like it and try to discredit Israel.

I am sorry but the Isreali government and the IDF are not shining in much glory at the moment and their current actions in my opinion are evil. Hamas are an illegal terrorist organisation and their brutal attack on Israeli civilians has been condemned, the majority of people on here and everywhere else has rightly condemned it and were shocked and upset by it. The current IDF treatment of the civilian population in Palestine is barbaric and rightly or wrongly I would hold a modern societies defence force in higher regard and expect more from them then I would a group of terrorists, but sadly the images I have seen their utter contempt for Palestinian people, the disruption of aid, the high number of civilian casualties especially children is a barbaric way to treat people. I have quoted an Irish Minister on here before "you can't behave like monsters to defeat a monster".

Yeah we don't like that you are a whisker away from defeating Hamas, that's all we have an issue with... Stop deluding yourself. Don't think there is anyone on here that doesn't want to see the back of Hamas but I do not feel the IDF in charge would be much comfort for Palestinians either.

OK whatever you say....🙄

Very intelligent and enlightening response 🙄