Terrorist leader speaks out

[Peggysoonerthanlater]

Now you have it for the horse's mouth -

Yahya Sinwar: Hamas leader in Gaza didn't expect consequences of 7 October attack to be 'this dangerous', says friend

Updated Wed, 14 February 2024 at 10:02 pm GMT

The top Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was one of the main planners of the 7 October attack on Israel but did not expect the consequences to become "this dangerous", a friend has told Sky News.
Esmat Mansour (who has been in prison with Sinwar) said last year's cross-border raid was supposed to be a strategic operation designed to lift the Israeli siege on the territory, release Sinwar's friends from prison, and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people".
But the calculations "didn't go as planned", the reaction of the Israelis was "uncontrolled, without any justification", and "now we have this result", he explained.
"He [Sinwar] didn't expect the operation to make things this complicated and to go as far as it did and become this dangerous. And [it] gave Israel all the reasons and excuses to break all the rules."
Speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, Mansour said: "I think he was one of the main people behind this operation."
He claimed that if Sinwar knew what the consequences of the assault would be, he "would never have planned an operation this way".
Mansour, who has been in prison with Sinwar, said the Hamas leader had "wanted to make a change".
According to his ex-fellow inmate, Sinwar "tried several times to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, to make a good relationship with Egypt, and he tried to provoke Israel to lift the siege on Gaza".
"After all these efforts, he didn't succeed. After that, he had to make a strategic change to [do] a huge operation like this. A big part of it was thought up by Sinwar."
Hamas killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in its raid on Israel last October and took around 250 others hostage.
The attack led to retaliatory Israeli strikes on Gaza that have killed at least 28,576 Palestinians, including mostly women and children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
The Israeli military claims it has killed or captured 8,000-9,000 Hamas fighters since 7 October.

From Sky News

@DistingusedSocialCommentator fantastic post.

Hamas 'Modus Operandi' revealed,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310

More info here,

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/hamas-hostage-taking-manual/675691/

Men cause all the wars. What's wrong with them

Hey ! Don't give the guys a hard time. The ladies have chalked up some conflicts.

The most famous Russian Empress, Catherine The Great, usurped the throne from her own husband (who was eventually killed), and led furious wars with Crimean Khanate and Ottoman Empire through all her reign. She severely suppressed a few peasant riots within the country and crushed Poland which was later partitioned.

Elizabeth of Russia usurped the throne during the military coup from the young Tzar Ivan VI (who was only one year old) and led the country during two major European wars: War of Austrian Succession and Seven Years’ War.

Isabella of France, Queen of England, dethroned and executed her own husband, King Edward II, in close collaboration with her lover.

Catherine de Medici is considered to be among the main organizers of St. Bartholomew’s day massacre; she was also one of the inspirers of the Religious Wars in France.

Neither are you, but you still voice your opinion.
In fact, he will know more than you and I about what is happening there, don't you think?

Once again, the irony!

The Vietnam war? The war which the USA lost? Great example of why fighting terrorists in tunnels does not work.

These are great examples mollyfolk and also drawn from the Middle East.

Syria, Sudan, Yemen and Iraq was fighting Daesh, aka ISIS, which were/are similarly terrorists embedded in the civilian population especially within urban areas.

Afghanistan was fighting Taliban and Al Qaeda who were/are also terrorists embedded within the civilian population, although it was both rural and urban.
(Taliban was briefly an ally against Daesh)

Good points all. Yes, things did not go exactly to plan and there are cracks and disagreements within the enemies of Israel.

Sinwar’s comment saying that what happened after Oct 7th wasn’t exactly what he expected is so obvious my first thought reading it was “So what?”

You have to know when you do an atrocity like Oct 7th that you are unleashing chaos. That you are going to get far more than you would expect in consequences.

Don't know about everyone else on here but I find it difficult to understand (let alone trust) the viewpoint of a deluded, vengeful psychopath, though I appreciate the objective analyses from various pps.

The whole thing is like the worlds hardest jigsaw, we can't see the whole picture and loads of the pieces are missing anyway.

@Dulra "because they are being investigated for genocide"

That is incorrect.

Stop making stuff up to fit you own narrative,

They have had to adhere to certain conditions and show proof they are doing so.

@quantumbutterfly "Don't know about everyone else on here but I find it difficult to understand (let alone trust) the viewpoint of a deluded, vengeful psychopath, though I appreciate the objective analyses from various pps."

You are not alone!

But IMO Iran are pulling the strings and they are more of a threat than Sinwar (who could well be dead by now if the IDF are doing their job......)

Here's Sinwar again in previous fine form (sarcasm)

This.

Sinwar is a sick cowardly individual hiding behind woman and children he is no man. Allah would be ashamed of him, no love or peace in him at all.

Scum. No idea why some won't condemn these vile leaders who bring nothing but negatives to the people of Palestine

He's a psychopath. May Allah strike him down.

I'm not sure that Hamas SAYING they'd do it again justifies Israel ACTUALLY DOING it again 25 times back to back (and counting).

Perpetuating actual large scale genocide to kill those with genocidal ideation. Hmnnnn.

So Israeli soldiers grabbed a child, raped them, maimed them, murdered them then phoned their mums to celebrate...you're right, that's unforgivable.

I thought they just kill their parents, slowly starve children and make them drink filthy water until they are really ill, then deny them healthcare so they suffer greatly, traumatise them by dropping endless bombs forcing them to move from one place to the next, sleeping on the ground in the cold and wet all whilst ill and then eventually they succumb to either starvation, illness or get blown to pieces. Then post all over social media boasting about the children they have killed that day whilst looting their homes. Isn't that how the IDF prefer to do it?

Which social media are you following I wonder.

The IDF grab Palestinian children by the thousands, with bombs and shells and aimed sniper bullets when they are in the mood. They also burn them to death, cut off their limbs, and suffocate them.

They are in addition starving them to death, not phoning but killing their mums, making thousands of children orphans and inflicting catastrophic psychological harm on them.
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Billions of dollars of funding have been thrown at Gaza, it could have thrived yet it's leaders chose to teach hate, encourage jihad and plan atrocities...this is the result. Where is their accountability?

I entirely agree with what you say about him. Was your post implying that some people here would applaud him?

If so, people on here who think the IDF’s behaviour is horrendous do not believe by default that Sinwar and his monstrous massacring, raping and kidnapping terrorists of Oct 7 are somehow worthy.

Israel’s over response may be understandable on an emotional human level, but it is unreasonable. It is not only immoral but may well sow the seeds for future Sinwars.

Netanyahu is one of these who threw millions at Hamas. This is well documented. Do you condemn him? I condemn both.