Side by side placement of ukranian flag and palestinian flag

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/14/soho-theatre-bans-comedian-paul-currie-jewish-audience-members

Interesting situation: side by side placement of the flags.

It’s the bit, should a person on stage start arguing with the crowd? Should members of the audience object to flags on stage?

@Humdingerydoo How do you know it was a lie? I'm not saying it definitely happened this way or not. I don't know as I wasn't there. You're very quick to accuse me of supporting a certain narrative but it seems like you are doing the same.

Like I said earlier, if it turns out the comedian has said something antisemitic then I will condemn him along with the rest of you but from what we know so far I don't see anything antisemitic in what happened.

@1dayatatime He wasn't encouraging a standing ovation for the Palestinian flag. He was encouraging a standing ovation for his show.

When every other person interviewed, even those who think Paul Currie is somehow innocent of any wrongdoing, don't mention that he said he hated the show (and in fact, seems to have said he enjoyed it until the flags were brought out) it's safe to assume they're not all lying and that this one person who admits they couldn't even hear what was being said isn't giving an accurate depiction of events.

@Humdingerydoo Ok so she thought he said he hated the show when he actually said he enjoyed the show. She admits she couldn't hear exactly what was being said. Other than that her version of events are similar to everyone else's.

I agree the audience member shouldn’t of equated the Palestinian flag with Hamas (after all Palestinians are not all terrorists any more than Israelis are all genocide supporters).

If he was Israeli it must of come as a shock to see it though and the comedian yelling at him to get out is harassment at the very least.

Except for the bits where they minimise what followed. And as they lied earlier in the quote, I have no reason to believe they didn't continue to do so throughout.

I'm really not sure why you're so adamant that this one person who couldn't see or hear what was going on is the one telling the truth. Can't you see how ridiculous that is?

THANK YOU!!!

(Although there is zero evidence to suggest he equated it with Hamas. That's just people on here making assumptions.)

@Humdingerydoo I'm not adamant this one person is telling the truth. I literally said I don't know exactly what happened as I wasn't there. All I'm saying is from what we've heard so far I don't see any evidence of antisemitism. I've also said if evidence does come out that he was being antisemitic then I will condemn him.

And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion.

Yeah and I think the idea that feeling passionate excuses you is nonsensical. I could feel passionate about BLM but it doesn’t mean I’m allowed to throw a white person out of the room, or a black person who disagrees with critical race theory. In fact, when you watch videos of the Nuremberg rallies Hitler was pretty passionate.

This is it: unacceptable for any reason. I think he got caught up in mob mentality himself and didn’t stop to think that there’s a world outside the echo chamber. Shows how dangerous groupthink is.

If the white person was being racist then I think it would be reasonable to throw them out.

@Humdingerydoo "And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion."

If that paying member of his audience is supportive of what Israel is doing in Gaza then I'd find it hard to have much sympathy for him to be honest.

@inkworks273 If you thought they were being racist it would be reasonable to report their actions to the authorities, not throw them out of a public venue.

He never once said during the show that he was supportive of Israel's actions in Gaza. He was bullied, harassed and intimidated purely because he didn't stand up for the flags. So based purely on that, Paul Currie was 100% in the wrong.

Now, even if he is supportive of Israel's actions in Gaza he still shouldn't have been hounded out like that because he has a right to his opinion plus he didn't even voice that opinion so he did absolutely nothing wrong.

I get the feeling that you think supporters of the state of Israel's existence just shouldn't be allowed to exist or at the very least should all be locked up. Would that be an accurate statement? I'm only asking because of your insistence on it being perfectly acceptable to throw an Israeli out of a room without actual cause.

@Humdingerydoo I don't have a problem with anyone who believes Israel has the right to exist. I only have a problem with people who believe Israel has the right to do what it is currently doing to the Palestinians.

Thank you for clarifying. So you don't have a problem with Israel and therefore I assume you don't have a problem with Israelis.

So what's your problem with this Israeli man in the audience? Why can't you just acknowledge that he was treated incredibly badly and unfairly? Why don't you just admit that he was a victim of harassment and Paul Currie acted in an absolutely despicable manner?

Did anyone actually listen to the Audience member speak ? I did , and all he said was that he didn’t like the comparison between Ukraine and Palestine and felt it wasn’t a fair comparison , didn’t stand up,
, then they were singled out by Paul said "thanks to these two for not standing up and clapping "
then Liahav said " thanks for the Palestine flag", Paul asked him if he enjoyed the show? He said he did up till the moment he showed the Palestinian flag. Paul curses and throws them out , while saying ceasefire now,
the comedian outburst was totally unacceptable and frankly deserves being banned . but how can it be interpreted as "Jewish/Israeli theatre goer thrown out for being Jewish? "

My problem with him is that he had a problem with the Palestinian flag. The fact that he enjoyed the show but then refused to stand and clap for the comedian because he waved a Palestinian flag makes it seem like he is racist against Palestinians. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to support the Palestinian people after seeing the horrors they are currently suffering.

No, @inkworks273 . You don't get to decide that someone is "racist against Palestinians" for not standing up for their flag.

Again, the Palestinian leader still hasn't condemned Hamas' massacre and hostage-taking on 7th October. Surely you can see why someone, specially an Israeli, therefore wouldn't want to stand up for their flag. And if you can't see that then I really can't help you.

Woah that's a stretch!! He's Israeli - of course the flag is going to make him feel uncomfortable in the wake of 7/10. But that's not really what's pissing you off is it? You've been on this thread all day going round in circles with excuse after excuse to hate on this guy. As soon as someone calls out your argument, you just move onto the next excuse.

No one was 'standing for the flag'. It was a standing ovation for the show. The man in question was sat in the front row.

It's by no means compulsory to join in a standing ovation for a show, but its the socially acceptable thing to do - especially if you're in the front row. Its definitely making a statement not to.

The Comedian should but have asked why - that's rude, and his outburst was even ruder. However, he was not chucked out for being Jewish - there's not even an indication the Comedian knew this.

It was unacceptable behaviour from the Comedian, but not antisemetic.

@Humdingerydoo He wasn't asked to stand up for the flag. He was so offended by the comedian displaying the flag that he refused to stand up and clap for the comedian at the end of his show.

@etmoiandme I've just been replying to posts directed at me.

@inkworks273 that's a massive reach.
More justifying the unjustifiable.

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