Eliminate Hamas……At any the cost ?

[Itoosurvive]

Israel’s aim is to eliminate Hamas’ fighters.

So far it has cost 25,000 Palestinian lives.
Approximately 300 members of the IDF have been killed.
According to US intelligence (Rad 4 news 18.00 21-1-2024) between 20% and 30% of Hamas' fighters have been killed.
Approximately 65% of buildings have been destroyed.

So, the IDF is about a quarter of the way through the task they have been set.
The following question is directed at anyone who supports the current campaign to remove Hamas.

When does the loss of life become great enough to call a halt to the operation, or should it carry on until Hamas is eliminated, regardless of the cost?

edit, Title should read "At any cost"

Is that a genuine question? If so, you should read the findings of the IJC. This should answer your question.

Let's dissect your post:
When a country declares war on another country
Gaza is not a country, it is a territory.
The victim has no obligation to supply anything to the aggressor
I think you should familiarise yourself with the Geneva Convention ( Israel signed up to it and therefore must adhere to it). The treaty prohibits
1)starving the civilian population as a method of warfare. The Israeli government is exactly doing this to Gazans.
2)If civilians become displaced (because they flee or are evacuated from a besieged area), all possible measures must be taken to ensure that the people in question have adequate shelter, have access to sufficient food, hygiene facilities and health-care provision and are kept safe (including from sexual and gender-based violence), and that members of the same family are not separated.
No one is calling for the government of Ukraine to be up before the Hague are they?
Both are countries with armies, navies and air force. The Gazans have nothing.
If Ukraine commits war crimes then they must be up before the Hague, of course. No one should be above the law.
I'm not sure why Palestinians are settling in the area.
I am asking myself the same question about the Israelis.
The UN reaction to the conflict has been highly problematic from the start.
Problematic to whom, exactly? The Israeli government? I am very happy that they are and may long they continue to be.
Cameron should not be in a position to speak on the matter
Of course, he can because that's his job as the UK foreign secretary ( btw, I can't stand him).

None proved at present.

You only have to open your eyes to see that they're guilty @Lanabigbanana

Of what ?

To quote a pro Israeli on another thread:

"There’s none so blind as those that will not see."

Not proven yet.

The UN has largely had a peacekeeping role for a year or two - not a long term role of governing a territory.

UN Administered Kosovo was the longest from 1999 to 2008. The other one was East Timor for a couple of years.

But this is very different to the UN Disengagement Observer Force since 1974 in the Golan Heights or the UN Buffer Zone peacekeeping role in Cyprus.

By and large, the UN doesn't take a governing aka administrative role in any territory. Certainly haven't in sovereign States the size of Israel.

The UN absolutely will NOT prepare a force to take over Israel or any other State. Your "idea" of an interim UN administration in Israel will not happen. 🙈

@DownNative so if you had to choose, who would you suggest if the killing continues?

No. You made the claim regarding the UN taking over Israel, including by force if necessary, so you should either defend your argument or abandon it.

I suggest abandoning it. The UN's military personnel is not really equipped as a militarily offensive force. It doesn't have its own standing army and does nothing without authorisation from the UN Security Council. See which States have veto powers.

What you've been advocating is a non-starter. 🤷‍♂️

You didn’t answer my question @DownNative . Who do you think should stop governments waging war on civilian populations? I understand there are some people who think bombing the Palestinian people trapped in Gaza is a good idea but there are far more who don’t. Who should speak, act and defend those people?

You're still trying to shift the goalposts now it's been made clear to you what the UN does and doesn't do.

You came up with an entirely fantasy based scenario and think it's valid. Except it's not.

What you want to happen isn't going to happen and I don't intend on wasting further time on fantasy scenarios devoid of reality.

If you want to see what I envisage happening in the future post-conflict era, I suggest you have a look and perhaps you'll find at least one of my posts. BTW, it's not based on fantasy. 🙈

Why do you want to keep bombing Gaza?

So assuming none of us want the Israelis to continue bombing, how do you see this resolving? I genuinely can’t see how it can be done without outside support. (Which is where this line of conversation started.).

And they want the UN to do it too! 🙈🤣

So again, how would you support Israel to stop the bombing?

I don't support Israel stopping the bombing.
Israel should keep going. Hard and targeted, protecting civilians as is reasonable in warfare. Until the hostages have been returned and Hamas are gone.

That’s interesting @niceandnew

If Hamas were hidden in other countries or within Israel would you support bombing there too?

How are you going to know Hamas is “gone”?

Hamas is Israel's enemy. If other countries are supporting Hamas (as most of Gaza is) then they are Israel's enemy too and if these countries attack Israel with a massacre the likes of October 7th then yes they can expect to be bombed.

Hamas will be "gone" when they are defeated enough that it'll make it very difficult for them to rearm. That means demilitarising them, and ensuring that their tunnels and terror infrastructure are totally destroyed.

So if they were in Israel you would bomb Israel to try and hit them? You see this is what the rest of the world cannot understand or condone. HOW is it ok to kill thousands of Palestinians in the hopes of hitting one monster?

You ask: HOW is it ok to kill thousands of Palestinians in the hopes of hitting one monster?
There is no "one monster", Hamas is in the tens of thousands. The civilians getting killed are a very very unfortunate victims of war and I do truly feel for them. However Israel is NOT purposely killing them (unlike Hamas who purposely killed civilians) Israel is fighting an urban war which always means high civilian casualties and its doing its best to conform to international law.

Demilitarisation any time soon is unlikely. According to the New York Times yesterday, Hamas has been repurposing explosives that were dropped on Gaza by IDF and making them into new weapons. Apparently 10-15% don’t explode so they recycle them and lob them back. Israel have dropped so many tons that this 10-15% is a substantial amount and the more bombs they drop, the more militarised the enclave gets. Analysts predict that this could go on for 10 years with Israel’s economy being devastated by conscription and brain drain