"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

[stomachameleon]

Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

Right. I suspect there's little hope of having any meaningful discussion here so I'll leave you to it. Thank you for saving me valuable time I might otherwise have wasted engaging in further discussion here.

Thank you. I did realise this from your question, but I replied anyway because people need to see where your sympathies lie.

Before I do leave, in case anyone is curious, the situation in Kashmir is extremely sensitive. It is a contested region over which Pakistan and India have argued for a long time. The events of 2019 were concerning enough that they sparked international expressions of concern about the actions of the Indian government and even Donald Trump and the US administration expressed concerns.

"Whoever the Indian government calls terrorists" includes large numbers of innocent civilians, especially Muslims, and is frequently their expressed view on Pakistan in general.

I am not a supporter of terrorism anywhere in the world. On the contrary, I have spent large chunks of my life actively seeking to build bridges, challenge extremism and encourage peace.

However, it is now clear to me that a certain poster appears to hold broad Islamophobic views and so there is little point in even trying to discuss with them. These views may arise from misunderstanding, I don't know, but they are offensive and incorrect.

I think recent events have now overtaken this Charter. It no longer applies, and Hamas in their action and speeches have all but disregarded the Charter wordings. All the protests in London are doing is intimidating the Jewish community living in London, and in fact anyone just wanting to go about their business. They will achieve nothing. If Sunak said tomorrow that he agrees with the protestors to demand a ceasefire (highly unlikely), Israel will not act on it. We hold no power.

@PeasfullPerson that new charter does not reflect the numerous statements given by Hamas hierarchy since 7/10 where they confirm their willingness to repeat the atrocities again and get rid of Israel in its entirety.

Also
Zuheir Mohsen of the PLO says

"The Palestinian people do not exist. There are no differences between Jordanians. Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation, and lo and behold I have relations with Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian citizenship. We are one people. It is only for political reasons that we carefully endorse Palestinian identity. Indeed, it is in our national interest for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinian identity in the face of Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new means to to continue the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity"

Agreeing with the worlds largest democracy that has brought this disputed territory back to being economically active and thriving is NOT being Islamophobic.

Plenty of Muslims support what was done in 2019, Yama Mir being one recent vocal
one - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/kashmiri-activist-denounces-pakistan-proxies-at-uk-house-im-not-malala/amp_articleshow/107934005.cms

The results are clear to see.
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/kashmirs-transformation-from-terrorism-to-tourism

You cannot, cannot pander to terrorists. No good will come of it. It is not Islamophobic to say that. Many Muslims can and do support decisive actions to end terrorism.

@stomachameleon I believe that Hamas leadership and Israeli leadership both pose a threat to the security of their own state and the others state. With what Hamas did on October 7th and as you say comments after, and with what Israel are doing, and continue to do, and also with their comments about Palestine. And of course there is a history on both sides.

I feel we are slightly derailing the thread here but to bring it back round to the marches, it is not my view that people marching when they demand a ceasefire are saying Israel must surrender to Hamas, they expect a ceasefire negotiation with a sensible agreement going forward. One which values the independence and security of each state, one which values the lives of both sets of people and doesn’t pit the security of one as being mutually exclusive to the other. I don’t think it’s fair to character protestors as having given no thought as to what will happen after a ceasefire. And while yes it may pose risk to Israel, at the moment it is not a risk but an actual reality that Gaza and the people within it are being destroyed. And this reality is creating the right conditions to encourage further terrorist activity, the longer it goes on the worst this gets. It is also damaging the world’s perception of Israel and causing global distress, as we witness the indiscriminate killing of a group of people and the destruction of their land.

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Back to protests.
Jess Phillips in the Guardian.

Intimidating autistic children. Who do these fucking people think they are? So consumed with their sense of self-righteousness that they don't pause to think "are we the baddies here?"

Utter filth

Buh buh buh....

It's only a tiny minority

Absolutely disgusting.

That is fucking shameful behaviour. Woking? Right, I'll see if I can find someone to contact there - not near me but I'm not going to just sit back and let that go unchallenged.

Have to say that I wouldn't want to challenge a mob like that. But I've seen quite a few videos now where crowds are shouting and intimidating customers at various places. Surely that's a police job?

Yes, police should step in if a situation is becoming a public order issue. Sometimes they're not very keen to do so, though, and then things escalate when that could have been avoided.

I don't think it's right to accost or intimidate anybody, especially not just for their choice of cafe. There can be many reasons why someone might want or need to go to a cafe or shop that another person might want to avoid, and none of those reasons justify intimidating those people.

Absolutely disgusting. This is not a march though this a group of thugs intimidating people outside a coffee shop, I don't think anyone would condone this sort of behaviour, it's akin to some of the anti abortion protests outside abortion clinics dreadful and it is a public order offence so those involved should be arrested.

What do you mean it's not a march? Do you think they are completely distinct from the marches?

You don't get one lot marching and a different lot barracking people in Costa. The Costa types are part of the marches too, as a quick google throws up.

What do you mean it's not a march?
It's not. It's a group of people who are protesting outside a coffee shop.

Do you think they are completely distinct from the marches?
Not completely distinct but obviously a particular protest group that is also involving itself in other forms of protest, forms of protest that are intimidating. The marches are attracting people from all walks of life some numbering nearly 20,000 people, they are licensed and policed. This is not that, and it isn't fair to suggest that the majority of people marching would agree with this sort of intimidating protest.
You don't get one lot marching and a different lot barracking people in Costa.
A certain element may be involved in both but to suggest the 20,000 marching would also do this, is not right. I condemn this but I do not condemn peaceful organised marches

I never suggested that all 20,000 people marching are also barracking customers at Costa. But some of them are. And also, it's not some small breakaway group of troublemakers, the protests which are designed to intimidate customers are being organised by the same people organising the marches.

The Hackney Palestinian Solidarity Campaign whose call to action outside Costa/McDonalds etc above are a branch of the national Palestinian Solidarity Campaign who are massively involved in the organisation of these marches.

There was a speech at one of the marches (the London one?) yesterday saying that they will be targeting Barclays next week, and want protesters outside every branch in the country.

If you don't like these intimidating forms of protest and liken them to thugs outside abortion clinics, it must presumably be uncomfortable to hear that they are absolutely linked to the marches.

People objecting to the marches on this thread wanted them banned, but I think this demonstrates why it's important they are not banned because authorities can control and monitor them. This kind of protest is not licensed or legal so is less controlled and more intimidating. It was a point made a lot back thread, none of us are naive enough to think any form of protest will not attract this kind of element but if it's a legal protest it can be monitored and the thuggish element identified. Surely that's better than this?

This is not the type of action that I support and it gives peaceful protestors a bad name.

This lady and her daughter obviously felt very intimidated by this group, I hope the people involved in this will read what she has written and think twice about the impact they had. I know I certainly would.

I think we could all benefit from being a bit less judgemental and aware that we are in different situations, with each person often have their own competing priorities. I know that I don’t always manage to meet my own standards for shopping ethically.

I actually think it’s Ok to protest outside shops as long as it’s done in a way which gives people a chance to learn about the issue, and isn’t something that is done to simply scare them from shopping there. So maybe a stall with leaflets that people can approach if they want to.

People objecting to the marches on this thread wanted them banned

I've seen lots of objections to what is going on with these marches on this thread, but very few people wanting them banned.

Um, no I don't think it's right in any context. Isn't what you're asking akin to protesters outside abortion clinics being okayed to hand out " information " leaflets but not to wave placards? It's intimidating regardless. Why should the rights of protesters trump those trying to go about their daily lives, in this instance a child with autism and their mother? You're very naive to think the protesters in this case, will ' learn from their mistakes ' - they don't give a shit. It doesn't take a genius to realise it may not be a good idea to storm a Costa coffee filled with families to enforce their message.

@ThaiFishcake no, setting up a stall outside that people can approach if they want to it’s not akin to handing out leaflets outside an abortion clinic. People go into Costa to buy coffee and sandwiches.

I have said that the way the mother and child were intimidated was inappropriate so there is no need to try and comment as if I am suggesting their rights don’t matter.

It is very rude of you to call me naive because you don’t agree that showing people the full impact of their actions can help to steer them onto the right path.

Your comments come across as aggressive and disrespectful, which is quite ironic given the point you are trying to communicate.

How does intimidating an autistic child help the people of Palestine. Just a mob who don't care who they cause distress too. They have no moral high ground.