"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

It wasn't triggered by Brexit, it caused Brexit.
You could look at many other European countries like France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Poland and see the same almost 50/50 split.

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Apologies don't know how I posted there

Brexit would not have happened if those feelings of disenfranchisement were not already there.

My mistake, I thought you said it triggered the polarisation. Apologies.

I find the current trend for identity politics very divisive and it distracts people from actually working together to solve the problems they see.
We have a proud history in the UK of people working together for social change in co-operative societies, trade unions, women's movements..
For many people Brexit was a protest vote calling for someone in the UK to actually take responsibility for social issues rather than abdicating it to the EU. There are a lot of voters who feel none of the main parties listen and it's a huge concern what may fill the void.

The thing is, the arguments for and against a ceasefire are totally irrelevant when it comes to discussing MPs' safety. I truly believe that most MPs will vote on this issue having given all possible options serious thought. You may believe that a ceasefire is the only option and that is fine. However, door stepping and threatening MPs who vote differently is crossing a line.

@Polka83 it is definitely possible to defeat an ideology. Nazism is dead. So is feudalism. Similarly others.

Terrorism is also an ideology that needs to be defeated. The means does not justify the end.

Sadly, Nazism isn't dead. Neo-Nazis, other fascist groups still hold some or even many of the same views and use them to fuel acts of hate.

So because there are a few people who still believe in the ideology it’s necessary to pander to terrorists? Some ideologies, like terrorism and nazism can and should be killed.

And Nazism is by and large dead apart from some loonies still clinging on.

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I don't think I've suggested pandering to anyone. I just pointed out that Nazism isn't as dead as we'd like to think it is.

The far-right and fascism continues to present a very real risk to innocent people in this country and is part of the reason why it is so important that we remain vigilant for anti-semitism, Islamophobia and other forms of hatred and prejudice those people try to spread.

My reply was to @Polka83 who said you can’t kill an ideology. You can and should, especially when the ideology is the kind of terrorism that Hamas, ISIS etc espouse.

“Cant kill an ideology” is not a reason to give in to terrorists.

Nazism and fascism may be similar but they’re not the same. Modern revival of Nazism is called neo-Nazism.

And I don’t disagree, it’s good to remain vigilant to ideologies that spread hate and prejudice.

It might have been clearer if you'd quoted them rather than me, in that case.

@Scirocco

"The far-right and fascism continues to present a very real risk to innocent people in this country and is part of the reason why it is so important that we remain vigilant for anti-semitism, Islamophobia and other forms of hatred and prejudice those people try to spread."

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The far right are indeed the home of Islamophobia whereas especially in recent years the far left has become the home of anti semitism.

That's a good point, @1dayatatime - extreme views at both ends of the political spectrum are dangerous.

You replied to my reply to them

But if you were posting in reply to someone else, it would make more sense to quote their post or @ them, otherwise they won't necessarily see it or think it's for them.

Rishi needs to do something. And quickly. Terrorist sympathisers have no place on our streets, and it makes me ashamed to be British to watch these protests unfold every single week. Jewish people who live in London should not have to be prisoners in their homes every weekend. Ironically the women protesting and marching would not have a voice nor freedom to protest if they lived under Hamas in Palestine, yet here they are defending these people.

@Polka83 says you can’t kill an ideology. I reply to say yes you can and give Nazism as an example. @Scirocco you join in to say no Nazism isn’t dead. I say you can’t use (Neo-)Nazism as an excuse to pander to terrorists.

It seems to me, you’re supporting the argument that you can’t kill an ideology and so we must negotiate with Hamas. Are you not? What was the point of jumping into that tangent then?

100% agreed. It is really sad to see women march in support of people who use rape and female genital mutilation as a tool to war.

Let’s also not forget that the radicalisation of Shamima Begum was aided by marches such as these. Her father used to take her to protests and marches

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/father-of-schoolgirl-who-joined-is-to-become-jihadi-bride-admits-he-took-her-on-protest-march-when-she-was-just-13-10158310.html

how many of today’s marchers are going to say similar things a few years later?

@Livelovebehappy What led you to believe all the people on these marches are terrorist sympathisers? And what leads you to believe they are ‘defending these people’? By which I assume you mean Hamas?