"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

Horrific.
And the threats to Labour MPs also horrific.
The bullying behaviour is counterproductive and turns many people away from supporting the pro Palestinian marches.

"The title of the thread is whether the marches intimidate British jews?" -

So? I'm not allowed to raise other related and relevant points regarding the marches being intimidating? In a discussion, people can raise relevant and related issues to give better context!

"Marches are in the main single issue/ standpoints by their nature, so I would imagine they want to drown out the opposing view in order to get the specific issue they are marching for heard? "

You've got to have been living in a cave if you haven't heard of the Palestine issue.

I haven't consistently argued any of that. 20 to 30,000 people marched in London last Saturday. Among that number there is a tiny minority that are there to cause trouble and have extremist views I think there were about 10 arrests. My argument has always been about the right to protest and that a licenced controlled, policed march is far better than an uncontrolled gathering of people which is likely to happen if marches were banned.

I understand why you support the marches and why we need to focus on the terrible situation in Gaza but surely you should be able to agree that Hamas is part of the problem for the Palestinians ?
Not sure why you're asking me this but I'll respond. I don't think Hamas are good for the Palestinians or have their best interests at heart but the problem in Palestine has been there long before Hamas.

I never said I didn't accept that, I suggested that it wasn't the majority of marchers which is what was implied. It is a tiny minority of extremists. The march was last Saturday the threats as far as I know are ongoing so I don't know why we are linking the two.

This isn't an organised peaceful march. This is a group of people protesting outside someone's private home which I would never ever condone.

Of course we have a moral compass and personal responsibility. I am unsure what your point to me is. I think taking part in a peaceful legal protest which the majority of the 20 to 30,000 people did on Saturday is very different to sending threatening letters to elected representatives and I was merely pointing out in my very first point on this theme that we shouldn't taint all of those marchers with the same brush. The vast majority of those people would not send threatening letters or turn up and protest outside someone's private residence they have a moral compass and do behave with dignity and respect.

I think it’s a bit arrogant to speak on behalf of several posters.

The ‘However’ is clearly in relation to saying that the marches are not to blame for this intimidating behaviour towards MPs.

You clearly have a very negative view or what I think, you think I am someone who supports threats against MPs, despite me stating that this sort of behaviour is not OK. I think you should check your bias.

How can one be biased against a random poster though? It's a pretty anonymised environment.

Unfortunately @PeasfullPerson, your idea of clarity and that of the several posters (it's not arrogant to say that btw, as it was a simple case of looking and counting how many thought the same thing ) don't align

And it's really nothing personal. It's about what you say not about who you are - whoever that might be 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s almost as if despite me saying this sort of action is not Ok you somehow believe I think it’s OK. Or want to misrepresent my comments to make out I think this is OK.

Why is that?

I don’t know why you want to argue about something we both agree on.

My point is that I don’t believe the marches are the root cause of this behaviour. I actually don’t think it is just the war on Gaza is causing it, it will be down to multiple factors won’t it.

@Februaryfeels

You are either viewing my comments through a negative lens or wilfully twisting them to fit a narrative.

Anyone throwing about these sorts of insults is doing our country a disservice.

How are people who really think it’s OK for MPs to be threatened in this way going to be identified when people like you and others on this board keep making a whole load of ridiculous background noise.

I'm really not giving it that much headspace.

Honestly.

Your use of "However" said it all.

I don’t belong to the group on this board who demonise the marches and call people who take part in the marches insulting names.

My comments are then interpreted with a negative bias. Or as I said, with purposeful misinterpretation.

In response to deleted post above.

You should think more carefully before you go around insinuating that people support threats to MPs. As I said, you are doing all of us a disservice.

My post was removed at my request, not deleted

I felt bad about the gif I had posted. If a person cannot deal with a FFS, I'd hate to be responsible for the conniption fit that a gif would produce 😇

@PeasfullPerson

"Well that’s not acceptable is it, for MPs to be at risk like that. I don’t support that type of action.

However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches.

The public would also be upset if they felt the government had tried to explain away October 7th as a necessary evil. "

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Firstly I genuinely respected your honesty about your post something that others think but would not say. I now disappointed to find you back peddling and saying that your post was twisted or misinterpreted.

I would interpret your post as follows:

1. that the risk to MP lives is unacceptable
2. MPs lives are not at risk because of the marches
3. However the reason that MPs lives are at risk is because people are upset about the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians and that this is at best an explanation of why and at worst a justification of why.

It is the use of the word "however" that is contentious as it could easily be viewed as the rational for the risk to MPs lives and that if there wasn't any killing of innocent Palestinian civilians then hey the MPs wouldn't have anything to worry about.

The speaker today confirmed that many Labour MPs fear that their lives are at risk if they don't vote the way the pro Palestinian lobby wants them to. This isn't democracy it's mob rule and yes the marches do forment in some cases further radicalism and encouraging mob rule.

As I said, you are doing all of us a disservice.

Not really all of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/despicable-british-palestinians-react-to-commons-chaos-over-gaza-ceasefire

Excerpt below

Hadil Louz, 30, a PhD student at the University of St Andrews who was born in Gaza, said efforts to apply pressure on parliament to call for a ceasefire had been in vain. “I’m not watching the news any more. I just want to bring my family to safety. I really suffered from the UK attitude and the parliament attitude towards the ceasefire. And I protested in London, I protested in Dundee, I protested in St Andrews, and everything was in vain,” she said.
“I appreciate the solidarity of the people who go to the streets asking for a ceasefire. I really appreciate their efforts going to the streets every Saturday and every week. I haven’t found any support from the government. But I really felt the support of the people in the UK.”

Another excerpt

The events were criticised by British Palestinians. Mira Hammad, 32, a British-Palestinian barrister, said the way the situation unfolded was “despicable”.

“To hear it being blamed on Palestine protesters, and the idea that people protesting for Palestine are dangerous or a threat to MPs, is just really despicable,” she said.

Thanks for your carefully constructed thoughts. I am sorry you are disappointed but I am happy with everything I have written.

People misinterpreted my comment to mean that I support threats and intimidation against MPs.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kfsPPvA8nLE

“To hear it being blamed on Palestine protesters, and the idea that people protesting for Palestine are dangerous or a threat to MPs, is just really despicable,” she said.
I know this article is 3 months old but it shows why it is not “really despicable” to say that SOME protestors for Palestine present a threat to MPs
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/17/labour-mps-fear-safety-pro-palestine-protesters-target-offices

Having said that - I truly share your hope that there is a ceasefire asap and an end to the terror and suffering of the people in Gaza .

@Limeandsodaontherocks I don’t disagree there is an unfavourable minority. It is the sweeping characterisations of the marches that I refute.